Why should SV / MM hunters get Exotic Beast families?

[Shandorei]

I have edited away some bad or harsh words.
Also changed and added a few points in there, which might be nice to read, but I bet they have been said many times already.

I think that it isn't logical, or needed. Honestly I cannot stand the fact that most survivial and marksmanship hunters run around QQing about BM hunters getting the most fancy pets.

What would then BM give you if you couldn't have them? That's right, four talent points.

Beast Mastery is hard as it is to PvP with, and just doesn't reach up to SV and MM, even if you are highly skilled and play among the very few champions there is, a Marksmanship or a Survival would still beat you if they were on the same level of skill as you in that specific tree.

If everyone ran around with exotic families there wouldn't be anything special about BM any longer, it would've simply destroyed the spec even greater, we need something in replacement for being left in the dust by SV and MM in endgame PvE content. Bestial Wrath and the passive buffs just does not make up compared to the other skills in the other tree's.

If I were to whine about not having a shot that can literally kill a player if you are buffed and insanely geared I would think twice, because taking something from someone just wouldn't feel right. I know that there is many more players out here that is adoring these exotic beasts, that would never ever give away what they have now for even a strong shot.



It's true, I like have rare, unique and sometimes big pet. I wouldn't give my Devilsaur Veph (Sorry! I just couldn't get up with something, and he reminds me of you!) for a shot, not for a shot that killed people instantly.

~Quelthasa - Magtheridon(Main hunter) / Stormreaver (New Alt hunter) (Dinged 68 just!)

[Saturo]

Also.. I just got abit pissed after reading someone who wished they wanted ALL beast families to be tamed by everyone in cata.

That would be Mania...

[Shandorei]

Hehe, and I would like to add: YES I know some BMs preffer wolves / normal pets. That is their choice but really, 50% of the last talent we BM hunters get is being able to tame those exotics, give me half ur explosive shot plz

[Bulletdance]

I think if it happened there would have to be a major overhaul to BM to make it a viable spec for other reasons. But if we look at the hunter class not just as its talents,but as a whole and with the advent of duel spec I think it would benefit all hunters if they could use any pet they wanted any time they wanted. Even if Blizz tries there will always be one sec that's labeled "better dps" . If we could all be any spec we want with any pet we like I think it'd be more fun.

But as things are now with BM's only real reason for existence being these super cool pets I just can't see any justification for making spirit beasts for all classes. And that said I think we can all find ways to post our points without use of so many f words and berating others opinions. This is a friendly forum for the most part. Lets all do our part to keep it that way.

[Nefretiti]

I agree wholeheartedly .. BM gets the shaft when it comes to raid viability ..
Alot of us have to deal with comments like the one posted under another thread "Cool looking pet but shouldnt you have a wolf for raids?" or the like.
if they do away with Exotic families I for one will likely cancel my accounts and stop playing as its pretty much the 'only' cool thing BM still gets.

One can just hope Blizzard isnt idiotic enough to listen to people who wants to remove the exotic families as they make for a nice diversity in the game .. if exotics werent avalible then they'd have a huge imbalance as not everyone but ALOT of hunters would go SV/MM.

eh I'm done rambling

[Dewclaw]

I agree with the OP. Bm have such a bad rep now, that sometimes I feel almost ashamed to be one. Exotics are the one thing that makes bm stand apart. It certainly isn't their damage output.

[Shandorei]

I agree wholeheartedly .. BM gets the shaft when it comes to raid viability ..
Alot of us have to deal with comments like the one posted under another thread "Cool looking pet but shouldnt you have a wolf for raids?" or the like.
if they do away with Exotic families I for one will likely cancel my accounts and stop playing as its pretty much the 'only' cool thing BM still gets.

One can just hope Blizzard isnt idiotic enough to listen to people who wants to remove the exotic families as they make for a nice diversity in the game .. if exotics werent avalible then they'd have a huge imbalance as not everyone but ALOT of hunters would go SV/MM.

eh I'm done rambling

Totally agreed, I specced BM for having a cool pet, a strong pet, which could stand by my side and be ~as good as me. (I know it isn't, but not far when it comes to pvp, it solos mages sometimes )

Removing this wouldn't be fair to the rest of us, SV / MM already have enough from their specs (Chimaera, Expl. Shot, B. Arrow) .. Sorry SV's, you can't and shouldn't be able to tame these exotics

I agree with the OP. Bm have such a bad rep now, that sometimes I feel almost ashamed to be one. Exotics are the one thing that makes bm stand apart. It certainly isn't their damage output.

Exactly, can't really say anything against it!

[Slickrock]

Yeah, if MM could tame exotics, and the 4 points in the pet tree were the only difference, I would be MM so fast it would leave burn marks in the forums. BM would be dead except for leveling.

As it is, I can still raid BM, despite being 10-15% behind MM in damage, because I can make it up on some fights. If you gave MM all pets, there would be NO point to BM once you 80.

You might as well delete the BM tree at that point.

Frankly, I would like to see the opposite.. take pets away from MM entirely. Make them into true sharpshooters. Just give them an extra talent to make up for the wolf buff, and remove the pets entirely from that tree. SV would only get cunning pets for the utility. Then BM would be truly unique and different.

[Slickrock]

Also.. I just got abit pissed after reading someone who wished they wanted ALL beast families to be tamed by everyone in cata.

That would be Mania...

Not sure she realizes that would kill BM. If Blizz did that to BM without some other major major changes, even I would start mocking any 80+ that was BM.

[Acherontia]

I was about to say this:

Let all hunters tame all pets, just make BM more viable as a tree choice.

I read the last post though and I quite like the idea of a petless MM hunter. Sadly it wouldn't work; too many people would be far too upset at seeing their pets lost.

I think this:

Aspect of the Beast should be a talented BM talent that encompasses Dragonhawk but adds 15% or something to a pet's attack power.

Edit: I really don't think 'exotics for all' would kill BM. I raid as BM with a wolf (which for me outdoes devilsaur) and regularly out-dps other hunters. It isn't down to having a shiny pet that throws a glittery moonfire, it's about itemizing correctly and enjoying your spec--and playing it to the max. I don't think speccing BM purely for exotics is what makes it a non-laughable spec, I think it's a spec in need of something other than a cosmetic advantage.

[Shandorei]

I was about to say this:

Let all hunters tame all pets, just make BM more viable as a tree choice.

I read the last post though and I quite like the idea of a petless MM hunter. Sadly it wouldn't work; too many people would be far too upset at seeing their pets lost.

I think this:

Aspect of the Beast should be a talented BM talent that encompasses Dragonhawk but adds 15% or something to a pet's attack power.

Edit: I really don't think 'exotics for all' would kill BM. I raid as BM with a wolf (which for me outdoes devilsaur) and regularly out-dps other hunters. It isn't down to having a shiny pet that throws a glittery moonfire, it's about itemizing correctly and enjoying your spec--and playing it to the max. I don't think speccing BM purely for exotics is what makes it a non-laughable spec, I think it's a spec in need of something other than a cosmetic advantage.

In my opinion: Special unique pets that SV/MM ****s cant get > a new spell

[Nefretiti]

No effing way ..
I have been BM in WoW for as long as I can remember and I will not give it up as my mainspec .. yes it is MY choice .. but belive me .. I get plenty of flack from my guildies for that choice.
Exotics are BM ONLY .. and should remain so .. MM/SV has plenty of petchoices without taking the Exotic families away from BM .. besides isnt wolf a NON exotic pet and the pet 98% prefer to see in a raidsetting?

so LEAVE OUR EXOTICS ALONE!

[Shandorei]

No effing way ..
I have been BM in WoW for as long as I can remember and I will not give it up as my mainspec .. yes it is MY choice .. but belive me .. I get plenty of flack from my guildies for that choice.
Exotics are BM ONLY .. and should remain so .. MM/SV has plenty of petchoices without taking the Exotic families away from BM .. besides isnt wolf a NON exotic pet and the pet 98% prefer to see in a raidsetting?

so LEAVE OUR EXOTICS ALONE!

quote for the truth

[Tahlian]

Frankly, I would like to see the opposite.. take pets away from MM entirely. Make them into true sharpshooters. Just give them an extra talent to make up for the wolf buff, and remove the pets entirely from that tree. SV would only get cunning pets for the utility. Then BM would be truly unique and different.

If you think it's not fair to take our exotic pets away from us, why is it fair to take every pet away from the Marks or Survival hunters, some of whom do love their pets and have as deep a bond with their pets as the beast masters do, but must spec MM or SV for particular reasons, i.e., being in a serious progression guild, playstyle, just can't stand BM like I can't stand MM/SV, etc?

That's not any more right. And we'd probably lose a lot of hunters from the class if that were the case - and perhaps might even lose some of the posters from this board, who aren't beast masters but still love their furry friends in Azeroth.

[Slickrock]

I read the last post though and I quite like the idea of a petless MM hunter. Sadly it wouldn't work; too many people would be far too upset at seeing their pets lost.


Edit: I really don't think 'exotics for all' would kill BM. I raid as BM with a wolf (which for me outdoes devilsaur) and regularly out-dps other hunters. It isn't down to having a shiny pet that throws a glittery moonfire, it's about itemizing correctly and enjoying your spec--and playing it to the max. I don't think speccing BM purely for exotics is what makes it a non-laughable spec, I think it's a spec in need of something other than a cosmetic advantage.

I really like the idea of a petless MM, it would actually make me want to try it. Pet is an afterthought on MM.

But let me ask it this way. What would be the real difference now between BM and MM if MM could tame the same pets? 4 more pet talent points? The arguement against BM would be stronger than ever, since MM does 10-15% more damage, and has higher burst. Right now the higher dps of the exotics combined with our pet skills closes the gap some. Give MM exotics and you take away a chunk of that, as well as the cosmetic difference.

They would have to boost BM pet dps to make up the difference, which is something they already said they don't want to do.

[Shandorei]

I read the last post though and I quite like the idea of a petless MM hunter. Sadly it wouldn't work; too many people would be far too upset at seeing their pets lost.


Edit: I really don't think 'exotics for all' would kill BM. I raid as BM with a wolf (which for me outdoes devilsaur) and regularly out-dps other hunters. It isn't down to having a shiny pet that throws a glittery moonfire, it's about itemizing correctly and enjoying your spec--and playing it to the max. I don't think speccing BM purely for exotics is what makes it a non-laughable spec, I think it's a spec in need of something other than a cosmetic advantage.

I really like the idea of a petless MM, it would actually make me want to try it. Pet is an afterthought on MM.

But let me ask it this way. What would be the real difference now between BM and MM if MM could tame the same pets? 4 more pet talent points? The arguement against BM would be stronger than ever, since MM does 10-15% more damage, and has higher burst. Right now the higher dps of the exotics combined with our pet skills closes the gap some. Give MM exotics and you take away a chunk of that, as well as the cosmetic difference.

They would have to boost BM pet dps to make up the difference, which is something they already said they don't want to do.

I will be sure to enjoy the time now, where I can /cast Shadowmeld /send pet ... and watch as the pet tears appart the enemy, the downtime will come in ~mid northrend where I need to assist to make sure he isnt killed

[Slickrock]

If you think it's not fair to take our exotic pets away from us, why is it fair to take every pet away from the Marks or Survival hunters, some of whom do love their pets and have as deep a bond with their pets as the beast masters do, but must spec MM or SV for particular reasons, i.e., being in a serious progression guild, playstyle, just can't stand BM like I can't stand MM/SV, etc?

That's not any more right. And we'd probably lose a lot of hunters from the class if that were the case - and perhaps might even lose some of the posters from this board, who aren't beast masters but still love their furry friends in Azeroth.

But do you want the exotics as MM?..

Let me put it this way, what if training the pet was an optional talent, and you could pick that, or pick something that would boost your special shot damage by 20% or something similar to offset the loss of the pet dps? Would you take that? I think most raiding MM hunters would. Given how I see MM pets treated in raids, I would say a lot don't really care about their pets. (Obviously the MM hunters here DO care, but I'm not sure you are the vast majority).

There was talk at some point of a "ranger" hero class, which was basically a MM/SV hunter without a pet who got bonuses on killing undead. A lot liked the idea.

I don't want to take away your pets, just saying I like the idea of a true Sharpshooter hunter, as much as I like the idea of the Beastmaster hunter...

But I'll ask it again. Give MM and SV exotics, and why in the world would you choose BM without other major changes?

[Shandorei]

Let me put it this way, what if training the pet was an optional talent, and you could pick that, or pick something that would boost your special shot damage by 20% or something similar to offset the loss of the pet dps? Would you take that? I think most raiding MM hunters would. Given how I see MM pets treated in raids, I would say a lot don't really care about their pets. (Obviously the MM hunters here DO care, but I'm not sure you are the vast majority)

Excellent, I would love this change^^ Really, compensating the DPS loss from -not- having a pet would make BM hunters even more special, and MMs could carry on with their "I ROLLZ HUNTAR FOR AIMD SHOT LULZR"

Really, I did roll hunter for the pet mainly, not some shitty talented shot to spam in icc

[Vephriel]

Let me put it this way, what if training the pet was an optional talent, and you could pick that, or pick something that would boost your special shot damage by 20% or something similar to offset the loss of the pet dps? Would you take that? I think most raiding MM hunters would. Given how I see MM pets treated in raids, I would say a lot don't really care about their pets. (Obviously the MM hunters here DO care, but I'm not sure you are the vast majority)

Excellent, I would love this change^^ Really, compensating the DPS loss from having a pet would make BM hunters even more special, and MMs could carry on with their "I ROLLZ HUNTAR FOR AIMD SHOT LULZR"

Really, I did roll hunter for the pet mainly, not some shitty talented shot to spam in icc

I actually think this is a very nice idea. It's true, I see a lot of hunters that clearly don't care for their pet much, they just see it as another weapon slot to be equipped with the 'best'. Usually they just run with an unnamed wolf or give it some horrible name.

I think something like that definitely has potential. I know there are people out there that like the idea of hunters as more of a ranger class, not necessarily due to a love of animals or pets. Obviously the bulk of us here on Petopia are crazy about our pets, but a different type of hunter would be interesting to see.

[Dewclaw]

I see a lot of hunters that clearly don't care for their pet much, they just see it as another weapon slot to be equipped with the 'best'. Usually they just run with an unnamed wolf or give it some horrible name.

I see this too. It makes me wonder why they even rolled a hunter.