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Re: Hunter spec change discussion

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I'd be fine if exotics were made tamable by all specs. Or maybe just make Spirit beasts exotic and take the tag off of everything else, so at least one family remains unique to BMs.

I also wish they'd let Beastmasters summon two pets at once. That way, if a buff isn't covered you can also have your favorite pet out at the same time. Plus it would look badass. I think that'd give way more of a "master of beasts" feel than just having a spirit kitty by your side. But I know that would likely never happen. :(

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Re: survival is melee?

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Pepsi Jedi wrote:I'm actually pretty happy with the changes that we're seeing.

That said, this is way way early in development. Any and all of it could change.

Survival? Never played it. So I'm fine with it going melee/pet. I think it fits. I also think spear throwing and pet would be cool, but Survival being about traps and what not, the spear thing works for them.

Marksman, ranged with no pet? I'm fine there too. In marksman your pet has always been minimal. It's been more about the Hunter's own damage, and moving it down range. The pet was mostly just an assessory. You played marksman to be a non magical ranged class. They don't 'need' the pet.

Beast mastery, ranged with pet. Our damage has always come with large portions/percentages from the pet. It was the dedicated 'Pet" class/spec.

As per the weapons we'll get?

There's images of a Bow and a gun.

I'm hoping that the Bow goes to Beast Masters. I prefer bows, so getting stuck with a gun (As I'm BM) Would be rather depressing as it seems we're keeping these weapons all expansion.

I think Marksman will get the gun. Why? ___MARKSMAN___ Not "Archer". Marksmen are expert shots. Snipers. While you 'can' do that with a bow, it conjures more images with the gun.

So I'm hoping it breaks down like that.

If it does. I like how it's set up. If Beast Masters get the gun... ehh.. I'll see how it looks. I'm not going to rage quit or anything, but I'll be slightly less pleased.

As it is though, I'm very happy about the splitting up the specs and I'm happy Survival got the spear (As being BM. I don't WANT the spear. lol I like my hunter in the back, My spiffy Fel wolf up biting the face)

BM has the Gun, MM has the bow, and Survival has the spear.

This is the thing I am displeased about. I want to use my pet and have a bow. So I will have to transmog over my artifact.
Where did you see that BM has the gun? I saw the pick of a bow with "hunter weapon' on it and in the text it says it makes an execellent marksman, but is there something that points to BM having the gun, other than assumed default?

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I'd like BM to have two pets out. One on each side. That'd be fun. I don't see it happening, but it'd be fun.

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Pepsi Jedi wrote:I'd like BM to have two pets out. One on each side. That'd be fun. I don't see it happening, but it'd be fun.
This so much, MM no pet, surv 1 pet and BM 1 pet. I think it can work like this; BM can have ONE exotic pet out at a time but the pets' damage and hp and defense raised by 30% but a BM hunter can also have TWO non exotic pets out at a time but both pets share the same target, reduce each pets damage, hp and defense, leaving their stats to 65% each.
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Kayb wrote:I sincerely hope no pet for marksman is optional....
I've been marksman since vanilla, i don't wanna change spec, and i wanna keep my pet.... :\
I guess we'll have to wait for more info, but I don't know how it could work if pets were optional. If the pet does any damage at all (other than a trivial amount) then it would fast become mandatory and make the change pointless. But if MM hunters can still have a pet out and not have it do any damage then it seems workable. If they didn't want that to confuse new hunters (who might think their pet is doing something important) they could always make it a cosmetic ability at later levels.
They can still leave Lone Wolf as a talent that effects MM, versatility stays with BM and a new talent for Survival *cough*tankskill*cough.
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Re: Interview with Tom Chilton & Ion Hazzikostas: surv is me

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Shade wrote:
SylviaDragon wrote:I feel like we already have a saturation in melee classes unless they plan to switch up the specs of other classes to add ranged options.
My thoughts exactly.
I agree with both of you. I don't really like melee and vastly prefer ranged. The change to survival is interesting, and I will try it, but I will probably end up abandoning it for MM. I am glad that it was Survival that became melee and not BM. I can see why BM would make sense as the melee hunter spec, but it's been my favourite spec of any class since I started playing. I would probably have unsubbed rather than be forced to play melee when one of the main reasons I have a hunter main -apart from pets- is because they are ranged. It's simply what would have happened. But no matter what change is made, people are going to hate it.

I would be down with exotics being available for all if BM hunters got to have two pets out. What pets become exotic is becoming more arbitrary; realistically direhorns and hydras should have been exotic. But still if we don't get the two-pet option, we should keep exotics BM-only. 'Everyone gets all the pets, BM hunters' are just stronger' isn't exactly exciting or unique.
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I was reading they they do plan out raids to make some fights ranged, and others more Melee friendly, and they are ok with this as long as it's generally balanced. With SV being a Melee class now, this would mean that (depending on all hunter dps being balanced) we'd have no weakness in an encounter, one could just swap spec. ;)

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Re: Hunter spec change discussion

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As a BM, I really wish I could just tailor my pets to whatever situation we come up against instead of having to choose a pet for the buff. The majority of time I'm raiding with my guild or doing mythic dungeons, I need my Quilen out for the B-rez (especially since our raids are suffering from poor attendance atm). To be able to "train" your pet to fit the situation seems much more "Beast Master" to me. I really wish I could make my toaster wolf a rezzer!

Anyways, I'm really excited about the changes! For the first time ever I'm considering actually playing an offspec! Melee Hunter is going to be interesting. I'm kicking myself for trashing the Sonic Spear I farmed forever back in the day.

And I'm really happy BMs are getting a gun artifact weapon. I saw the bow and was just all "Meh." I prefer using a gun because my character is an engineer. Though I'm still glad we can transmog over them because I'm really picky on things matching my Mog and pet.
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Pepsi Jedi wrote: Where did you see that BM has the gun? I saw the pick of a bow with "hunter weapon' on it and in the text it says it makes an execellent marksman, but is there something that points to BM having the gun, other than assumed default?
This is the gun in question, since the bow is in the same image the gun cannot be another form of the bow. And since the gun has a beast motif it's to be assumed it's for bm since the eagle spear is for survival hunters.
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Honestly I'm looking forward to these changes and I'm really excited for my surv pandaren hunter. And I think the reason for survival going melee is more due to back in BC/vanilla the survival tree had most of the melee stuff like reposte, counter strike etc. Plus to me anyway when I think of "survival" I'm thinking more of traps and the use of environment kinda deal. Also Just a little heads up though to those looking to restore weapons via the item restore it only goes back like a few weeks so anything sold or destroyed years ago either got to file a ticket and see if you can get it.
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I run BM, always have always will. That said, I will be extremely sad if I dont get the bow :( The gun is cool and all. but I love bows.

Other than that. I am extremely excited for the changes. I may even have to give survival a shot to try being a melee hunter again, like I did back when I had no idea wtf I was doing XD

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SetsunaChan wrote:snip.
I want to roll a Surv Pandaren too because they are so many cool looking Pandarian Pole arms!
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Shade wrote:
SylviaDragon wrote:I feel like we already have a saturation in melee classes unless they plan to switch up the specs of other classes to add ranged options.
My thoughts exactly.
I'm guessing Rogue would get a ranged spec.
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Junrei wrote:Well so far, the responses, from what I saw earlier today on twitter and stuff, have actually been positive for the most part. Sylvannas is prob an MM hunter, not survival. She was a ranger(which is what MM is becoming truly).

Any change usually upsets somebody somewhere.
Sylvanas likely was MM in her former life. The MM artifact certainly points to that, being a Windrunner heirloom. As the Banshee Queen though her abilities resemble our Survival kit much more. Granted its only a resemblance. Trying to say lore NPCs are a single spec in the game doesn't really work. NPCs have spec overlap that players don't have.

That being said, I guess I get to eat crow when I said this...
Quivering wrote:Do we have a melee Survival hunter in any part of the lore?
Was doing the ICC 5 mans for some mog boots, and I had forgotten how much Sylvanas drove the RP. She wields daggers more than a bow during those. I'm OK with this! I know the spear is more a Tauren/Highmountain thing, the fantasy I choose is to make my Survival hunter resemble her :) Now to find some cool polearm/staves for mog!

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pop wrote:
Shade wrote:
SylviaDragon wrote:I feel like we already have a saturation in melee classes unless they plan to switch up the specs of other classes to add ranged options.
My thoughts exactly.
I'm guessing Rogue would get a ranged spec.
That is something that I have not yet considered-are there any classes that may end up getting a ranged spec? So many of the classes are pure melee or melee/melee/tank. Are there any that would make sense as a range?

Personally I am appeased by them apparently not changing BM too much so far-but I am starting to worry, based off of comments I've seen on MMO champ and other-of what they may try doing to shamans. I hope they do not mess elemental up too much, as that is my second main and favorite ranged magic class. Though if they are rewriting them and can make enhancement tank spec again I have a friend who would be over the moon,
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Maybe Rogue will get a Crossbow artifact if they get a ranged spec. Hunter artifacts are pretty much known, so who knows!
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Quivering wrote:Maybe Rogue will get a Crossbow artifact if they get a ranged spec. Hunter artifacts are pretty much known, so who knows!
That would actually be kind of awesome.
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I really hope BM gets the bow... I hate guns, and can't play with them, but I'm really excited for the new weapons system and that gorgeous bow to, guns are over loud to me and trigger sensory issues I have never used one in my time playing and I hate playing with others useing them even. BM doesn't belong with a gun, guns are loud and unpredictable, and could startle pets, and bm is the pet pec along with SV... MM should get the gun BM should get the bow. if it doesnt... I'm not sure what I'll play, I joined wow for being able to play a hunter with a pet at my side, I played SV, MM , BM ..sv was my favorite but now I won't play it. they took away pets from MM which makes me sad, I raided MM and hate it, I miss my pets, I have them out all the time I'm not raiding... I feel forced into BM.. and if they hand me a gun ontop of that... I have a feeling that Isa, my main since I joined with be placed on a shelf, and I'll been possibly leaving.. I'm rather anxious about all of this
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ehrinlove wrote:I really hope BM gets the bow... I hate guns, and can't play with them, but I'm really excited for the new weapons system and that gorgeous bow to, guns are over loud to me and trigger sensory issues I have never used one in my time playing and I hate playing with others useing them even. BM doesn't belong with a gun, guns are loud and unpredictable, and could startle pets, and bm is the pet pec along with SV... MM should get the gun BM should get the bow. if it doesnt... I'm not sure what I'll play, I joined wow for being able to play a hunter with a pet at my side, I played SV, MM , BM ..sv was my favorite but now I won't play it. they took away pets from MM which makes me sad, I raided MM and hate it, I miss my pets, I have them out all the time I'm not raiding... I feel forced into BM.. and if they hand me a gun ontop of that... I have a feeling that Isa, my main since I joined with be placed on a shelf, and I'll been possibly leaving.. I'm rather anxious about all of this
You can always transmogify.
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pop wrote: You can always transmogify.
I can yes... but I was /really/ excited over the new weapons system, and that bow in particular it will suck running around with my transmog bow seeing the one I want to use on others and being unable to, unless I give up my pet as well, it just feels like everything I really like about hunters is being picked away at, my reasons for picking one slowly.. vanishing before my eyes
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I rp on my main, and I do progression raiding with her as well, so suddenly seeing everything I love about her being risked is very anxiety inducing for me, I don't handle change very well sometimes and this is a change I really don't like... I know BM will likely end up with the gun which means I'm trapped in either haveing a gun or haveing a pet a choice I really hate
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