Why should SV / MM hunters get Exotic Beast families?

[Shandorei]

I really liked this comment. I was mm/bm on my last hunter and yes it was JUST to have a chance to try the exotics. There was no other reason to use a spec that was considerably that much weaker even in basic PVE it would take 3 times longer to hunt and skin than when I was in MM. I know it's stupid but eventually I became very embarrassed walking around with an exotic in public, like I was a spectacle of weakness. I gave up BM.

Just my opinion but they need to make exotics tamable by all and make BM a strong solid spec.

For BM abilities? They should have their own shots in the same way mm & sv. Maybe allow them to have pets that are swarms like a colony of rats, pack of wolves, swarm of meerkats.

I've seen hunters that do run around and do dungeons without pets. I think it's just a little creepy, not sure why...

Mate I'm sorry, but I would bet I could take you down fairly easy anyday in a duel against you in your MM spec as BM.. You surely don't know the power a BM hunter wields with the correct use of spells and timing. Let me tell you this: I beat nearly every single class one on one, healers aswell. SV / MM Hunters hit hard, but only for those 2 secs, then they got to wait for CDs.. If I pop my CDs, and use my combination of Arcane and aimed shot you would be nuked down pretty fast. I'm sorry, but stating you feel weak in the spec just makes me sad and honestly you must be bad then. Just had to say it, DO NOT feel weak in this spec. I feel like a boss in it, I can beat almost everyone with an exception of Spriests and locks.


Edit; Speaking on behalf of my main, not the 37 hunter in the signature.

Quelthasa - Magtheridon

Not here for a epeen size off but good for you! lol It's good to like yourself.

BMs are looked at as the push-button-and-win spec. It's not me thinking this. Please next duel you have vs a SV/MM hunter both of you put your pets away then see what happens. I think alot of people are saying it shouldn't be this way, BMs should be able to have more to stand strong on their own. You know on BGs that pet is going to die, that's a big chunk of BM attack power gone just like that - and that just sucks don't you think?

People are welcome to choose whatever spec they enjoy. By my logs when I play BM my pet does about 64% of my damage and it's slow, as MM the pet does 8% and I burn through everything. I love my pet but I want to feel like I'm the one playing. BM was a great spec to level with and very fun, but now unless blizz fixes it, it's just not for me. It kills me too because I miss my devilsaur

Seems like you didn't understand it wasn't a epeen shit, I was telling him that BM isn't weak at all, stop failing and read my post



Also:

Please next duel you have vs a SV/MM hunter both of you put your pets away then see what happens.

Are you freaking stupid? Thats like duelling a holy paladin and saying he isn't allowed to use holy spells, sigh



ALSO:

People are welcome to choose whatever spec they enjoy. By my logs when I play BM my pet does about 64% of my damage and it's slow, as MM the pet does 8% and I burn through everything....

Yeah and you are representing the general BM community? Nah, many people like the idea of them supporting their pet instead the pet being a statstick. You wanna do 92% damage as BM? PERFECT you have your MM spec for that mister and go respec BM when you PvP / HCs...

[Sasrei]

Don't make me seperate you two. Lets play nice. This subject is really touchy and everyone will have different strong opinions about it. Lets just try and keep it civil here.

For me would I love to play MM spec with my devilsaur? Heck yeah I would. Hands down. I still do pretty good dps as BM spec though.. not even close to what I do MM spec but on the bosses we farm, I love to take out my king krush or my loque and just have fun with it.
Raiding and well the game entirely is about playing what you love. You shouldn't feel the need to be in one certain spec unless your RL or GL is really anal about it. Luckily for me my RL isnt so anal about it and doesn't mind having purple raid with me

But I know its probably never going to happen, and that's fine. Im just going to learn how to raid in BM spec and just do the best I can. And more importantly have fun with it! Needless to say I was getting kind of sick raiding all the time with my wolf. I do like wolves but sometimes you want a little diversity you know? I only have Aotona as my other non exotic and the poor thing dies pretty quickly.. it makes me sad.
Im trying to keep her up, but alas my mend pet button doesn't heal as much as I want it to! It makes me sad when she dies.. and she tends to get really really angry with me
It makes me sad when my pets die.. I stopped fighting litch king with my king krush because I almost cried each time he died.

[Shandorei]

Aww nothing personal there just "strong opinions" And ya l2p with BM in raids (yeah I've tried not matter what I do I suck) but reading and time might help out on it

[Ryai]

yeah I'm posting in a thread I said I would ignore. Why is that? Because a little while ago Aria linked me;

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutral/ ... ster.shtml

Now read it people. Read it carefully.

Summons Spirit Bear with Bash and Blink

Beast Master. Spirit Beasts.

I think this hands down means spirit beasts, and other exotics, are meant to be BM only.

And tbh; no we don't need more pet like abilities or more abilities strung along with pets. Why do I say this? Because I just had to fight frostlord Ahune as BM with no pet on Ryai, and badly played MM on Yas again, with no pet because I'm not abandoning a temp pet for a wolf. And if we have any more abilities tied to pets because yes to have beast like abilities they would most likely be tied to having a pet up and alive, we would be an even more vulnurable[sp?] specc when our pet dies.

Exotics were supposed to do 5% more dps than normal pets; but people QQ'd it would make them feel forced to play exotics. Now people are whining and saying that it's wrong to have exotics as BM only. And I am ignored when I say Exotics are the same as shots. No SV or MM hunter whines or complains about having to ditch Arcane shot for Explosive, or having to learn entirely new rotations for each specc. If you guys really want to help BM out? Don't be crying to take away one of our namesakes, try to help the namesake do it's supposedly 5% dps boost.

And honestly what I said about BM and what others said about BM dying if exotics were taken away as our 51 point talent is true; I've only seen 1 other serious BM player in a naxx raid a week ago. And I've only seen 4 others in randoms for the last 2/5 weeks on Coal. And none were using exotics. Just wolves and cats.

[Slickrock]

Well, still waiting to see hints of what the real Cata changes for pets will be, or if the specs will be more closely balanced.

Despite the suggestions otherwise, It's highly likely that exotics will remain BM only, and it's also likely Spirit Beasts will remain trophy pets.

But we can hope that Blizz balances things better, and makes the specs more unique. Everything else is just pissing in the wind until Blizz gives us some details to ponder.

[Nevar]

My only problem wit this is I'm tired of being told I'm wrong because I'd like to play with a pet I like in a spec I like. As the current BM spec stands I absolutely hate what they did to it. I admit it I only go BM to play with my favorite pets yet I love the MM play style. Does this mean I love/deserve my pets any less? No. I'm hoping with cata they balance out every spec(damage wise) and change the BM spec so I'll actually enjoy it - give it a rotation that isnt stupid, give it more things that make it fun to play. Because for me as it stands the only fun thing about BM is having my pets out - none of the talents really make me excited except for the end talents.

[Rhyela]

yeah I'm posting in a thread I said I would ignore. Why is that? Because a little while ago Aria linked me;

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutral/ ... ster.shtml

Now read it people. Read it carefully.

Summons Spirit Bear with Bash and Blink

Beast Master. Spirit Beasts.

No offense meant, but I really don't think the Beast Master in that link is anything like a Beast Mastery hunter. That unit linked was a warrior-type whose main attack type was melee, and whose primary attribute at leveling was strength. If you notice at the top, those other units are not playable in WoW. So I just wanted to point that out, that to me there doesn't seem to be any correlation whatsoever between the linked page and a Beast Mastery hunter.

And I don't think anyone is crying that we don't get shiny pets, we're just simply saying that we'd enjoy raiding with a pet of our choosing. I take offense to the fact that I'm told I'm "crying" about something when all I or anyone else has done thus far is state our opinion and the reasons for it.

I'm a BM/SV hunter and sadly, I don't even whip out my BM spec anymore even though that's the one I started with five years ago. I miss my devilsaur like crazy, but it's pretty pathetic that the only reason I'd play as that spec now was for the pet at my side. Something needs to be done about that. And I don't think Cobra Shot (essentially the replacement of Steady Shot) is the answer. I don't think the other trees should get Exotics at this point in time because BM doesn't have anything else. But, if Blizz decides to buff BM via other methods down the road - useful and viable methods - then I do feel that SV and MM should be able to use exotic pets, or that Blizz should just take the "exotic" idea out entirely. Gotta give something to take something, and all they've done thus far is take away from BM, at least in my opinion. But I liked the days of old when you saw hunters with pets they wanted, because all pets were the same (except for those special ones with fast run/attack speed, but I digress). My Echeyakee was no different than my brother's bat from Tirisfal Glades. We brought the pets we liked in the specs we liked. I would very much like for it to be that way again, but not in the current state of things. Make BM fun again in some other way, because when I play BM and then play SV, SV is a heck of a lot more fun. And yeah, I do sort of resent the fact that I can't bring my baby Apollyon out. I'm not trying to have my cake and eat it too, I just want to use the pet I worked so hard to get.

<3 you Apollyon!!!

[Slickrock]

My only problem wit this is I'm tired of being told I'm wrong because I'd like to play with a pet I like in a spec I like. As the current BM spec stands I absolutely hate what they did to it. I admit it I only go BM to play with my favorite pets yet I love the MM play style. Does this mean I love/deserve my pets any less? No. I'm hoping with cata they balance out every spec(damage wise) and change the BM spec so I'll actually enjoy it - give it a rotation that isnt stupid, give it more things that make it fun to play. Because for me as it stands the only fun thing about BM is having my pets out - none of the talents really make me excited except for the end talents.

The BM rotation will likely always be simpler, and frankly I don't mind it that way.

But your argument sounds like the same one we've been dancing around. You want all the pets BM has, the MM rotation, and likely the SV utility.

So what's unique about the specs at that point. Different names for spells with the same rotation isn't unique. Making a rotation more complex just for the sake of complexity doesn't make it more unique.

Ok, this is getting me on a rant, so I'll just rant.

I see LOTS of posts in different forums regarding "skilled" players who can manage complex rotations on the keyboard bemoaning the fact that certain specs are "facerolling" and such, are there are some that are, and there are others that do require complex reactions with many spells/shots. Not everyone can master those rotations, and I strongly disagree that they make those specs more interesting, they just make them more challenging. Challenging is NOT always the same as more interesting.

Frankly, BM could use a bit more, and we'll likely have it with the venoms that are being added in Cata. I don't need 3 more shots in my rotation just because a Nintendo-jockey likes to push more buttons in a complex manner.

For me, CHOICES make the spec more interesting, and if we get back to the days of CC as they promise, we'll have plenty of them. (Anyone remember the days when hunters set traps to protect healers?.. I do, and it was a damn long time ago).

I think that if they fix some of the other issues (like bringing back CC), we'll have plenty to make hunters more interesting, without adding unneeded complexity. Frankly, the MM rotation is just as boring as BM, it's just more buttons. The AOE fest that is ICC has made us rotation spammers.

[Slickrock]

So BM shouldn't have anything unique other than our pets turn big and red? Or I suppose the other specs want that too.

I'll say it again. I can't see what is more interesting about MM since it's 2 more buttons and a bit of timing in a rotation that is spammed like BM. It's just more work for my fingers. Proc watching is not more interesting in my book either.

What is interesting to me is being able to react to different situations with different tools (and maybe even different pets!!).

If this is just going to degenerate into BM must push more buttons, then I'm out, and may even leave these boards, I'm too tired of dealing with that in other places.

[Nevar]

yeah I'm posting in a thread I said I would ignore. Why is that? Because a little while ago Aria linked me;

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutral/ ... ster.shtml

Now read it people. Read it carefully.

Summons Spirit Bear with Bash and Blink

Beast Master. Spirit Beasts.

No offense meant, but I really don't think the Beast Master in that link is anything like a Beast Mastery hunter. That unit linked was a warrior-type whose main attack type was melee, and whose primary attribute at leveling was strength. If you notice at the top, those other units are not playable in WoW. So I just wanted to point that out, that to me there doesn't seem to be any correlation whatsoever between the linked page and a Beast Mastery hunter.

And I don't think anyone is crying that we don't get shiny pets, we're just simply saying that we'd enjoy raiding with a pet of our choosing. I take offense to the fact that I'm told I'm "crying" about something when all I or anyone else has done thus far is state our opinion and the reasons for it.

I'm a BM/SV hunter and sadly, I don't even whip out my BM spec anymore even though that's the one I started with five years ago. I miss my devilsaur like crazy, but it's pretty pathetic that the only reason I'd play as that spec now was for the pet at my side. Something needs to be done about that. And I don't think Cobra Shot (essentially the replacement of Steady Shot) is the answer. I don't think the other trees should get Exotics at this point in time because BM doesn't have anything else. But, if Blizz decides to buff BM via other methods down the road - useful and viable methods - then I do feel that SV and MM should be able to use exotic pets, or that Blizz should just take the "exotic" idea out entirely. Gotta give something to take something, and all they've done thus far is take away from BM, at least in my opinion. But I liked the days of old when you saw hunters with pets they wanted, because all pets were the same (except for those special ones with fast run/attack speed, but I digress). My Echeyakee was no different than my brother's bat from Tirisfal Glades. We brought the pets we liked in the specs we liked. I would very much like for it to be that way again, but not in the current state of things. Make BM fun again in some other way, because when I play BM and then play SV, SV is a heck of a lot more fun. And yeah, I do sort of resent the fact that I can't bring my baby Apollyon out. I'm not trying to have my cake and eat it too, I just want to use the pet I worked so hard to get.

<3 you Apollyon!!!

Rhyela once again summed up my thoughts perfectly. THIS ^ is how I feel, I'm saying that MM is more my playstyle it may not be your cup of tea but I enjoy playing it /shrug

[Slickrock]

Rhyela once again summed up my thoughts perfectly. THIS ^ is how I feel, I'm saying that MM is more my playstyle it may not be your cup of tea but I enjoy playing it /shrug

That's entirely different than saying the BM spec sucks but I still want the shiney pets.

[Ryai]

But, if Blizz decides to buff BM via other methods down the road - useful and viable methods - then I do feel that SV and MM should be able to use exotic pets

And they showed us how we are being buffed.

Being more reliant upon our pet being alive.

Being given a nature version of Steady Shot.

Now then.

No offense meant, but I really don't think the Beast Master in that link is anything like a Beast Mastery hunter. That unit linked was a warrior-type whose main attack type was melee, and whose primary attribute at leveling was strength. If you notice at the top, those other units are not playable in WoW. So I just wanted to point that out, that to me there doesn't seem to be any correlation whatsoever between the linked page and a Beast Mastery hunter.

Now. Where do you think Marksman and Survivalist came from? They came from Warrior Classes Too. Marksman was a warrior who did guns; Survivalist is again a warrior who focused on guns.

So yeah this pretty much proves Exotics were supposed to be our 'Exploding Thunderlizard' spell.

[Saturo]

Marksman comes from the Ranger hero class in WC3, not some warrior. The ranger is a hybrid between rogue and archer.

[Slickrock]

And they showed us how we are being buffed.

Being more reliant upon our pet being alive.

Being given a nature version of Steady Shot.

But we haven't seen what they are doing with the pets, or seen how these new "venoms" are supposed to work.

I'm hoping they'll repeal some of the nerfage that was the result of PVP. Time will tell.

And on the rotation issue, again I'll say that a more complex rotation is not what's needed, choices are what's needed. I've almost deleted my ele shammy because the rotation is as complex as a MM rotation, but you have nothing else to do.. you can't even do a real AOE. You stand there and spam a rotation and pray that you don't pull aggro.

We'll see what Blizz does..

[Rhyela]

I want to make it clear that I'm not saying that BM needs to have a rotation exactly like the other two specs. What I would personally like to see is either some sweet cooldown ability like two pets at once, or some hunter-pet synergy active/reactive abilities. I'm not a designer or programmer, so I honestly can't say exactly what I'd like. I just feel that BM needs...something...and I personally feel that that something isn't what they have right now.

Yeah, I want to use a devilsaur or a spirit beast, but I don't want that to happen right now, because BM doesn't have anything else. It wouldn't be right to take that away from them right now. But maybe down the road, some improvements can be made elsewhere, to where it would be justifiable to open up the exotics to all specs (or trash the idea entirely). Right now, if I had a devilsaur in my SV spec, that maybe would be a bit OP (maybe not, hard to tell). But if the pets' abilities were made utility-only, and we hunters could spec our pets how we want, wouldn't that be fun? Heck, I'd even go grab a wind serpent and raid with that because I love them.

I feel the pets need to be opened up in more ways than just giving exotics to all hunters. I would like to see the talent trees reworked, the abilities' damage aspect removed, and allow us to spec any pet of our choosing any way we want (I could totally see Veph with a ferocity-specced crocolisk ). To me, this is about more than just exotic vs. non-exotic. This is about the pets as we know them right now, and what I would personally like to see happen in Cataclysm or shortly thereafter. There was a time that I was vehemently opposed to "normalizing" pets, but after I thought about it and weighed the pros and cons, it just seems like the right thing to do. And in fact, I'd think that give us a lot more options than we currently have! I mean, /gasp, we might actually see hunters with something other than a wolf, for once (guilty...but I like him)!

That's why I posted a thread (and evidently someone else did too), asking fellow hunters which pet they'd bring if they had a choice, if abilities were only utility and they could spec their pet however they want. It goes without saying that the responses were quite varied. We all have a favorite pet type, maybe more than one, but right now we feel confined to using just one or two in raids. Not everyone feels that way, but generally speaking. I just think it'd be nice if we could all use our favorite pet in whichever spec we had the most fun in, and not have to worry about FotM.

There be my two tarnished little pennies, spend them as you wish.

[Kaylai]

I'd really like to be able to not have to switch out to BM every time I wanted to use my spirit beasties and dino.
BM does sucky DPS, and I know my guild doesn't mind me to be a bit behind, but it bothers me. My wolf Scooter and my cat Kenny are the only animals I can raid with if I want to do decent damage. It makes me feel like my other pets are just there to look pretty in towns. >.>
I'd be totally down with survival or MM having exotics. *crosses fingers* But then I'd have DS for no reason, heh.

Maybe they'll buff BM in cata?
*crosses fingers x2*

[Slickrock]

I give up. I'll take my noob Rowan's and my exotics and enjoy my noob BM raiding spec while I can. out.

[Rhyela]

I give up. I'll take my noob Rowan's and my exotics and enjoy my noob BM raiding spec while I can. out.

O.o No one said that raiding as BM makes one a noob. It's just the unfortunate fact that for the most part, and for most people, BM simply doesn't perform quite as well as the other two specs. If you're like me and don't care about every drop of DPS, and you feel that you perform best as BM, go for it. BM is nothing to sneeze at in the hands of a good player, and if anyone's comments made you feel like a noob, I'm sure that wasn't the intent.

[Mockingbird]

I give up. I'll take my noob Rowan's and my exotics and enjoy my noob BM raiding spec while I can. out.

[FuzzyDolly]

I've said this many times, but I'll say it again... All Blizz has to do is make ALL talents available to ALL pets of that variety. IE, all ferocity pets have access to all the same talents, special abilities, and attacks. Same for cunning and tenacity. I know most people want a differentiation between pets, but really, this is the only way I can think of for us t stop looking at all those wolf butts in raids. Spirit beasts should keep spirit strike and THAT should not be available to any other pet type. Yesterday, I did the Midsummer achievement for Ahune with my guildies. I took Aotona because she's only 78 and needs some xp. Do you know, that I, a BM hunter with a bird pet in not top level gear, came in 2nd in dps? Second! I was so happy. The other 4 guildies are in maxed out gear, btw, so that is a real achievement for me. My point of that story is, there's no reason BM shouldn't be able to place 1st or 2nd in dps. All we ask is to have the tools to make that possible. Whether it be special pets, special attacks, special buffs, special pet armour... whatever it is, we just want to be considered an equal in the dps game called life.