Crappy Groups

[Ryai]

didn't pull the orc extra boss back

I had to read this a few times, before I realized that you're Alliance.

Must be "Bring out your worst tank"-week or something... Glad you guys got him down with the third tank with your "uber sucky" 4-5k DPS.

Oh god it's something like this. Most of the day while on Coal I've been getting lovely groups. I mean decent tanks, decent players, we've all been having fun. No one bitches about Coal's DPS when he's kitty, and for not knowing what I'm doing I think pulling off 1.7k is pretty decent... ok I admit that is bad compared to what I should be doing <_>

Anyways.

I finally grind up enough emblems today for a necklace for Coal and a ring, finally upgrading from a dps caster drop I got from totc and a caster ring a friend made for me, the titanium spellshock.

Well I decide to queue.

It seems the ring was enough to send lil Coal into HoR Heroic. I cringed, but, earlier I had healed HoR normal fine, outside of going oom just before we escape Arthas. So I figure aslong as I don't do anything but heal , we should be fine.

So we get in and it's a bit bone crunching for the first part, the waves are brutal, moreso than normal and I'm inwardly weeping as it's so hard, and I don't mean the fun hard, it's almost insanely hard and I'm questioning myself because everyone is taking so much damage, my heals are barely doing anything, is it me? Am I a bad healer? Am I lagging without realizing? What's going on? Is my rotation bad what?

We down first boss, we're 2 waves into the second boss event.

Tank dies.

We wipe; some people leave and I'm just all ok, game change plan 'Coal', we;re gonna start putting Lifebloom spam into your frantic rotation.

Up until then, and only in the PoS hc madness for the first run, I've never really had to seriously weave Life Bloom in and around Nourish, Regrowth and etc, while healing tank and dps and myself. So I'm figuring it has to be me, it's gotta be me and I'm trying my best to keep the tank up and everything an-

You are dead.

Ofc we wipe again. The tank leaves, the mage leaves, and I'm just glad the DK and hunter aren't insulting me, when the DK pipes up, you were doing pretty good considering that tank, and I go ? then he explains how badly geared the tank was. PVP items and holydin shield, probably worse. And the relief just flooded me, and the DK praised me a bit more for my healing, and when we got a DK tank after requeing, the instance was much easier. Yes the waves were a challenge, but they were that. A challenge, not insanity in a nutshell on the barring sea with explosives set to go off in 5 seconds.

I still can't believe someone would think they could tank HoR with PVP gear.

[Kalliope]

Heh, people will queue into anything with high item level stuff just so they can leech loot. It baffles me when people try to do it in the tanking/healing roles, because OF COURSE they're going to have trouble doing it.

There are MANY reasons a group can fail in H HoR. Sometimes it's something as simple as the dps not massively overgearing the instance and not focusing down the same targets. If a tank is taking massive amounts of damage, definitely look at their gear if you get the chance to. Hell, my bf and I queued in as tank-dps once and the priest healer waited until after the first wave spawned to buff, managing to time it around my initial cds (which I wasn't totally familiar with yet on my dk) so that he pulled immediate aggro. I will never understand why he waited that long to buff. >_< Anyway, that incident made me a LOT more aware of not popping early heals on my own healers in there.

So yeah, there's a lot of things that can go wrong in H HoR, even with gear. So no need to worry.

[Raloth]

It continues for me today too..not my week it seems!

First up - H HoL - tak and friend come only for first boss achievement apparently, and leave the other 3 (me included) afterwards, without saying a word.

And nexus...again...before that - After the shammy healer complained about a pet "fail" when jumping off the platform towards the 2nd boss, that it was one, ONE, non-elite mob that was dead in two shots from me, I said "wow...one non-elite mob....real epic fail". That was it.

Shammy healer - "And no more heals for the dickhead huntard". Twice in two days I've been called that for stating facts.

THEN he pulls the 2nd boss in an attempt to kill me and the guildie who was dpsing with me (tank was also a guildie), but failed..sort of. Killed my warlock friend, but failed to kill me. Our dk friend noticed..and promptly kicked him.

I hope things shape up..or heroics will start to suck, even if I really need the emblems!

[zedxrgal]

Oh my f-ing gawd. There are times when I tell myself "I should've known better". This, 20 minutes ago was one of those times. I queue up for a non heroic dungeon to help still get YourDemise (Loque) up to 80. Within 30 seconds of being in the que I get right into a dungeon and it's the ring dungeon or whatever you call it where you fight horde players on mounts with a javelin then several bosses after that. I knew something was up when I came into the dungeon fighting already in progress. That means someone left. I race to get my javelin and on my mount and start fighting. No buffs, no nothing. I make a kill and then aid in another and that fight is over.
We get to the next part were there are the three mobs one orc, a spell caster then another. We wipe because they didn't target and kill the spell caster first so she wiped the floor with us. I was the last to die. I run back and we try again. This time going for the middle mob instead of the spell caster. Almost wipe again but the tank dies and everyone dies. I was left alive. The next up is the three sets of mobs. Jackass tank pulls two or all three sets of the mobs. We quickly wipe again. Come back and the tank is bitching about "who pulled all them? thought we could take them". She then fucking contradicts herself and says she wasn't geared for that many mobs. HUH? Are you serious. So we wait then she says lets go. Attempt number two .............. wipe again. This is now time # 3 and I'm beginning to understand why the person(s) before me deserted. We all run back. No rebuffing and attack. We complete that group then attack the chick who spawns the big boss were attacking. She spawns him and we start fighting him. Shortly we wipe. I run back to my body and of course another person leaves. That's when the attacks come and other players are starting to tell me how to play. Not paying a damn bit of attention but the one girl starts asking about my gear, then I shouldn't use volley for a single mob and blah blah blah. I start getting pissed and shooting my mouth off. One person pipes up and says "you know you're on viper right?" I said "no shit dumbass it's how I rebuild mana faster". Think for sure it would get me kicked it didn't. I pipe up and say that "I have a full gear score since I've been doing heroics and have never had a problem and I've never died in this dungeon before." They post a recount AFTER dying. I said "um correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't a heroic. Dps doesn't really matter here especially posting it after wiping SO badly." One says no it's not a heroic. I'm thinking no shit sherlock how'd you solve that one. The tank says "lets just go" and attacks the chick. We wipe AGAIN within less then a minute. My spirit comes up and I see in party chat someone say "this is pathetic". I said "You're right it is" and left the group. I took the 10 minute rez sickness and went and repaired.
One of my worst dungeon groups. I should have known when I came in in the middle of a fight at the start of a dungeon.

[Kastarakovski]

I usually don't dungeon on 70+ toons. I usually end up in bad runs, it's about normality there.
Tonight, oh gods, it's one of THOSE runs where you wish you could just reach down the line and garrotte people with mousecords.

Azjol'Nerub. I've run it so many times for Heroics it's about drilled into me. Went into it on Ten and you somehow KNOW it's gonna be a bad run when a 74 DK has the same bloody health as your tenacity pet does >>;

First pull: tank runs off, warlock pulls the spiders to the lefthand side by accident (lag), tank keeps running, pulls the three bigger packs and the patrol and dies instantly. Cue copious swearing from DK tank. Healer, myself and mage scramble to contain the massive fail. Healer, myself and Zebedee (Warp Chaser) are the only ones standing after that. Sweet jesus, I'm all for excitement, but at level 75 and still nearly full green gear, unless you're 80 healer, that's so not funny!

Second pull: Tank runs off before healer, warlock, mage and myself have mana. Dies again. Swears and calls us fail. Growl goes on, Zeb tanks mobs, does better job at tanking than the DK himself.

Third pull: Tank's had enough of being upstaged by a pet, pulls the whole room and the boss and leaves us to it. Of course we all get screwed over because the healer gets webbed and pwned in the face. Group disbands after mass deaths.

2.5 hours for a fail tank. I think I'd rather wait 5 hours for a better one >_<

[Ryai]

BECAUSE TWO WIPES BECAUSE TANK CANT KEEP AGGRO WORTH CRAP IS WONDERFUL.

SERIOUSLY.

Get told 'spam nourish hard' and I wanted to screech how!? The tank isn't keeping threat off you guys i'm in the middle of fucking casting fucking regrowth and rejuv on everyone because wildgrowth aint doing shit enough because mr I'm going to be a dick and remove healer because I don't want to actually put effort into tanking, can't keep insulting the undead crapheads fast enough!

'Why no heals!?' i get

POSSIBLY BECAUSE BY THE TIME I FINISHED SAVING WARRIOR AND ROGUE YOU SUDDENLY TOOK 40% DAMAGE AND I COULDNT GET MY OH SHIT BUTTONS OFF IN TIME. I admit the first wipe was my mistake, but the second? The second he was dying to fucking hard, I was spamming everything and going oom basically to keep him and everyone else the fuck alive.

But no instantly it's my fault the dungeon is hard.

I ROLLED AN ALT AND SWORE AT HIM. I HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH BLOOD ELVES. First a Ret STEALS A HEALER TRINKET and now a crackbelf kicks me from group because he's probably not def capped!

NERD RAGE

Edit: I just wow armor'd him and if this is TRUE TO THE MINUTE.

* Strength: 1449
* Agility: 248
* Stamina: 1780
* Intellect: 38
* Spirit: 57
* Armor: 15041

* Armor: 15041
* Defense: 437
* Dodge: 8.55%
* Parry: 14.47%
* Block: 0%
* Resilience: 50

I'm bloody crying inside that he blamed me basically for no heals.

[Kalliope]

I'm bloody crying inside that he blamed me basically for no heals.

People tend to blame the healers for their own lack of preparation/knowledge.

I've found that the best defense is a good offense. If you can take a look at a tank's gear and say exactly what's wrong with it, you pretty much discredit their unfounded accusations. So if you call out a tank for wearing PvP gear, it kinda blows holes in their argument.

[Ryai]

I'm bloody crying inside that he blamed me basically for no heals.

People tend to blame the healers for their own lack of preparation/knowledge.

I've found that the best defense is a good offense. If you can take a look at a tank's gear and say exactly what's wrong with it, you pretty much discredit their unfounded accusations. So if you call out a tank for wearing PvP gear, it kinda blows holes in their argument.

No it's worse it was all dps gear ;-;

[Kalliope]

I'm bloody crying inside that he blamed me basically for no heals.

People tend to blame the healers for their own lack of preparation/knowledge.

I've found that the best defense is a good offense. If you can take a look at a tank's gear and say exactly what's wrong with it, you pretty much discredit their unfounded accusations. So if you call out a tank for wearing PvP gear, it kinda blows holes in their argument.

No it's worse it was all dps gear ;-;

rofl. >_<

"HAI, U R IN DPS GEAR. U SHULD EXPEKT 2 DIE."

[Nick]

3/4 of the people playing are below 18, if the demographics are accurate.

I'm 15, does that count?
Even though I actually know how to play my class unlike half the people on my server?
>->

[Nevar]

Im so terribly angry atm, I que my level 39 priest for a random and I get uldaman with two EXTREMELY stupid hunters who have offensive pet names and keep going afk half the instance. Not only that but they pass on anything good for them and a caster ring drops off of the last boss.. They both roll need on it wtf? I tell them excuse me but the two of you are hunters you DONT need spirit. They ignore me but one whispers me "I kno to play"...right...sure you do. Then we open the chest in the last room and a plate piece of armor drops. One of the hunters need it and I said "You can NEVER wear plate and thats of the bear its terrible for you.." that other hunter whispers me "I can to, high lvl duh" - I didnt mean to be mean but I told them both that they really needed to learn how to play their class and maybe change their pet names because the two of them give a bad name to hunters everywhere. Offensive pet names, rude, and just plain dumb.

End rant >:(

[Ryai]

Im so terribly angry atm, I que my level 39 priest for a random and I get uldaman with two EXTREMELY stupid hunters who have offensive pet names and keep going afk half the instance. Not only that but they pass on anything good for them and a caster ring drops off of the last boss.. They both roll need on it wtf? I tell them excuse me but the two of you are hunters you DONT need spirit. They ignore me but one whispers me "I kno to play"...right...sure you do. Then we open the chest in the last room and a plate piece of armor drops. One of the hunters need it and I said "You can NEVER wear plate and thats of the bear its terrible for you.." that other hunter whispers me "I can to, high lvl duh" - I didnt mean to be mean but I told them both that they really needed to learn how to play their class and maybe change their pet names because the two of them give a bad name to hunters everywhere. Offensive pet names, rude, and just plain dumb.

End rant >:(

Offtopic; you can report players and petnames from other realms to GMs. You just need to remember said name+realm combo.

"HAI, U R IN DPS GEAR. U SHULD EXPEKT 2 DIE."

Yeah from now on I'm gonna check the tanks gear before we start

because I HEALED HoR hc with a DK and he took damage but not ohgod if I look away for 2 seconds. Mean it got hairy but it wqasn't that bad.

[zedxrgal]

The group itself really wasn't crappy but this person was and you'll see why. Was helping my friend level his mage so we were running randoms and Drak'Tharon Keep comes up. Every time going into this dungeon I have a little ritual as soon as King Dred is spotted. I hug /kiss /love him. And /cry when he's been slain. A full sign of respect and I'm sure it's looked upon oddly by those around. We easily kill the first raptors with their one rider and there he is the King. I do my ritual and the tank goes. "You love him?" I said "oh my yes" and the tank says "why not tame him?" This is where the dps warrior pipes up. Get this:

warrior: She can't. He's untamable
Me: Yes I can.
warrior: um ... no you can't
Me: Um yes I can in fact I already have
warrior: No no you don't
warrior: he's not tamable
Me: dude I have him look (calls stable pulls out Dred forgetting cannot recall for 5 min cd)
warrior: That's not him. It's not I know for a fact. he's not tamable. Says so on petopia.com
Me: I know petopia and as a matter of fact I'm a forum member. King Dred IS tamable EXCEPT when in this dungeon in heroic which he's a level 82 untamable boss. No offense but fully read something BEFORE you think you know it all.

That warrior didn't talk the rest of the run and promptly left when it was over without saying a peep or even claiming his loot. Why is it that warriors always seem to have the biggest mouths.

[Raloth]

Because the bad warriors think they know EEEEVVVVRYTHING about the game, even for a class they aren't. Good thing is there are great warriors..but the bad...give the rest a bad name, lemme tell you..

[Mockingbird]

Last night I went to SM with athe random group finder.

Me as DPS (doing, if I say so myself, more than my share).
A warlock having a hard time because we killed too fast for his DOTs to be effective, and a mage who appeared to not know what to do (but who was friendly, so that's fine with me).
A really, reall good druid healer. Like, better than I've come to expct from guildies, let alone randoms.
And a terribad tank.
His spec and gear were probably ok to take on 1-2 mobs, but he chain pulled as many as 15 on more than one occasion. I honestly don't know how the healer kept him up,it was incredibly impressive. The healer kept saying things like "stop pulling, we need a mana break, also equip a shield" and the tank kept ignoring him. I did my best to pull mobs off the healer and pettank/trap them, but in the end it became too much and the others wiped (I dismissed pet and feigned ).

The tank immediately quit without a word.

/sigh

Still, we had fun.


Question: Feign death, but pet retains aggro - do I have to either dismiss him before feigning or just let him die, or what? Passive seemed to not work (as you'd expect it wouldn't).

[Saturo]

You can just let the pet die, the mobs will reset and you can ress the pet afterwards.

[Kalliope]

You can just let the pet die, the mobs will reset and you can ress the pet afterwards.

^
This.

Although if you're in a raid and the wipe is long and drawn out, there might be time to dismiss your pet before feigning. It depends on the fight.

[kamoodle5]

Although it does seem pretty grim to watch your pet die while you live.

[Kalliope]

Yeah, that's why I've sometimes died getting my pet dismissed. On those occasions, I gladly take the repair bill.

But sometimes, pet deaths can't be helped. :/

[Golden]

So, I was doing random heroics on Subira. Get Azjol-Nerub and think that yes, this should be nice and easy. Couldn't have been more wrong... The first patrolling pair of mobs aggros when the DK stands just a bit too close and we have to kill them - the healer leaves and tank just stands there doing nothing. The lock ends up dying and has to run back.

Long silence... Lock runs in, buffs up, summons demon... Then after a while the tank starts talking.



When the tank posts the DPS meter from the fight we just did, all I can do is roll my eyes in disbelief and point out that then the tank must really suck when he did ZERO damage in that fight. Mind you, the DK's GS wasn't even that bad - 2.7k. So the tank whines some more about how he'll outdps us all with his uber ICC epics and the DK will never see a single raid and runs off to face the next pair of mobs - alone. The rest of just stand there hoping to see the asshat get killed.