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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by Valnaaros » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:06 am

I think part of it may be of how much attention it got and the lengths people went to get it. With the Dire Horn, it was available for a very short time and there was not nearly as much demand to get it (let alone people willing to pay gold and money). Same for all of the others, really. They may very well get rid of the Scorpid, too, if only to be fair. It's hard to say what factors played into Blizz's decision.

But, in the end, what's done is done.

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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by Bendak » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:08 am

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not really.

This was a pretty awesome example of the Hunter community coming together to get stuff done. It's been a while... last thing that felt like this (to me) was searching for Gara with a bunch of other Hunters on the WoD beta.

TBH I barely even used the puppy while I had him. But I still planned on keeping him and pulling him out from time to time, just because of the cool memories of this "event" that we all took part in.

It was kind of freakishly large, and the texture quality wasn't the greatest at that size. Maybe they removed it because it didn't fit the aesthetic of the game having the battle pet blown up that much. Though they could have just reduced its size instead. There would have been zero harm if a few hunters wanted to use a small puppy as their pet. There's plenty of small pets. Then you have the Direhorn, but I guess far fewer people tamed that one so they don't care as much.

At least the scorpion is still there (for now).
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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by Gigabear » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:24 am

I find the oversized nature of the pup was easily it's most endearing quality. In fact it was my intention to make him way bigger, though I didn't know about the texture settings so I never got around to it before they took them. Could have easily gotten it to the size of the lion's pride for sure.

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Unread post by Novikova » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:03 am

I'm sad I missed out on the puppies, but it seems odd they are hotfixing the puppies.
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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by muajin » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:37 am

Rawr wrote:ImageImage :mrgreen:
my wolf got turned into a normal one. lucky sob. hehe

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Unread post by SpiritBinder » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:23 am

muajin wrote:
Rawr wrote:ImageImage :mrgreen:
my wolf got turned into a normal one. lucky sob. hehe
I believe that the prior tamed pups still appear as a pup within the stable window (as shown above) according to some reports, but all pups have been visually converted out of.

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Unread post by muajin » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:00 am

at least we get to keep the scorp.

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Unread post by Nyth » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:59 am

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Valnaaros wrote:It isn't being kill joys. This came with a risk. They have done this sort of stuff before, so it was always a possibility. I'm sorry for those that grew attached to your pups, but (as I warned) you shouldn't have done so until it became clear they weren't going to remove/change them (after a couple of weeks or so).
It is being kill joy when you're clearly this inconsistent. They haven't removed pets obtained by questionable methods before.
The pup itself is not an exploit, it's not more advantageous to have than any other pet. It had the size bug, but that was not linked to the puppy but rather a bug on it's own that is reproducible with a dozen other pets as well.
The way to get to it is an exploit, close down the loophole there and just leave it be.

I'm mostly annoyed by the inconsistency of this particular pet with previous ones like the baby direhorn.

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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by Valnaaros » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:40 am

You act as though Blizz did this with the sole purpose of upsetting people. That wasn't their intention. Honestly, we can only guess why Blizz decided to do this. My best guess is because of how many got it, the means through which they got it, the lengths some went (gold and rl money), and the fact thay it was a puppy.

The Dire Horn was available for a very short time, not nearly as publicized, far fewer got it, and (to my knowledge) people weren't spending gold or money to get it.

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Unread post by Gigabear » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:47 am

Valnaaros wrote:You act as though Blizz did this with the sole purpose of upsetting people. That wasn't their intention.
Are you sure? From where I'm sitting the list of valid developmental reasons for doing this is perilously short. the fact is was purely cosmetic eliminates all balance concerns from the equation. All that is left besides malice is graphical or "class fantasy" concerns. Graphical is easily fixed by applying a higher resolution texture to the model regardless of texture setting. Class fantasy is a bit more nebulous. However they ARE beasts, and it's not implausible that a wolf breed could exist which has that appereance while still remaining deadly in combat. It did originate in the emerald dream after all.

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Unread post by Quiv » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:46 pm

We can't tame ___________, and thats the bottom line, because Blizzard said so! :P

Honestly, their reason for the decision goes beyond these baby pets. Why can we tame a skeleton bird but not a skeleton raptor or skeleton windserpent? Why can we tame a pile of rocks (shale spider) but not a gyreworm? Why can an NPC tame a beast family but players cannot? And on and on and on...

The reasons behind (and enforcement of) these decisions are woefully inconsistent (some even feel downright arbitrary to me). I think accusing them of ill intent is a stretch though. We have to keep in mind we don't have all the information that is influencing their decisions, and at the end of the day, they determine what is a valid reason for action, not us.

I think they could do a lot more to be transparent about these things, perhaps open up a dialogue, but we also have to keep in mind we are a subgroup of one out of 12 classes. It also behooves us to not forget all they have done for us that frankly other classes do not get to enjoy. If we are looking for evidence of intention toward hunters, there is way more good will than ill in the big picture. There are plenty of things that are concerning about this scenario, but we shouldn't miss the forest for the trees.

To be fair, I think it would behoove them (what a silly sounding word btw) to really take a look at this event. Taming these pups and scorpions wasn't a bunch of greedy players exploiting the game to gain some advantage or grief. They did it because they liked the pet and its uniqueness. I'm not saying thats enough to justify the behavior, but I think it would do them well to open up a *constructive* dialogue of some sort. Not a place for venting or hyperbole or finger pointing, just a place to talk about it. I believe theres something more to this event than the surface level "they took my puppy away!"

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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by Valnaaros » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:15 pm

Very well said, Quiv. Blizz has done a lot for us that, really, they do not have to do. We should be grateful that they have given us the hundreds of pets that they have, rather than furious at the few that have been removed for varying reasons.

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Unread post by Rawr » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:39 pm

Well they DIDN'T have to change this, it was a conscious effort to make people upset. :| :mrgreen:

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Unread post by Valnaaros » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:04 pm

So you're saying that Blizz has no other motive than to make people upset? Thay was the sole reason? I wasn't aware that you had inside info on what goes on at Blizz HQ and the reasons behind what they do.

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Unread post by Rawr » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:13 pm

Well until Blizzard gives another reason then yes, this isn't the same as taming a worgen or a floor raptor/bird, those I can understand, but this just seems petty to me and Blizzard isn't an omnipotent being, it's ran by humans and humans are petty at times. :mrgreen:

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Unread post by Valnaaros » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:24 pm

It's an assumption, not fact. As Quiv just wrote, Blizz does far more good for us than they do bad. Lalathin, Gon, Lost Spectral Gryphon, Very Lost Feathermane Kitten, Gara, Snowblind, the three spirit porcupines, Thok, etc. I can go on and on and give mant more examples of things Blizz has done for us that never had to be done.

There is no requirement that they give us new families. No requirement for them to make challenge and hidden tames. They do it out of the kindness of their heart, even though they don't have to. Name another class they give even half as much to? You can't, because there isn't.

So instead of just assuming that Blizz has it out for us or wants to upset people, remember what they have done for us that they never had to do. Whilst it may be nice to know the reasoning behind their decision, we have to accept that we may never know.

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Unread post by Ijomi » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:31 pm

The thing is, Blizzard probably was thinking of the people who were already upset - the ones who may have wanted these guys, but were justifiably concerned that their accounts would be jeopardized, because the method of getting these guys was an exploit. From that standpoint, a lot of people doing something against the rules were getting rewarded for it. (and worse, I saw a couple players who got them flat-out taunting others who didn't. ) That isn't a very good standard to set, and it's been that way since the Baby Direhorn. "You didn't have a chance to cheat the system, I did, look at the neat thing I got for it".

I really think they look at it a matter of fairness to the hunter playerbase as a whole. They've BEEN clearing out buff pets with Timewalking and Arena, and from the sound of it Baby Direhorns do get removed sometimes. This isn't some sudden clear-cut flipflop, they've ALWAYS been iffy about trick tames. And "retired" pets that were simply flagged as tamable accidentally shouldn't be retired if they're to be kept. Slimes and grubs for all....and if you're gonna make a pupper tamable, make it Runty! :lol:

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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by Xylexia » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:52 pm

Omg it was not an exploit.

Bugs can be exploited to gain an unfair advantage over players.

This wasn't a bug. Blizzard didn't think to actually classify the dreamway as part of the classhall and therefore have it kick us or any non druid out. It was an oversight. And the pup shouldn't have been tameable to begin with.

In our quest for unique pets and challenge tames they came across this using an ability that had been in the game for years.

Exploit? No. No unfair advantage gained. Period. A fun find, sure. But it is an oversight of theirs they fixed.

Would really like to see them open a dialog as to WHY. It's not like we tamed a baby DRUID...

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Unread post by Iowawolf » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:54 pm

Well I think I am over losing my puppy and in a way I do agree with Blizzard giving us more than we ask for I mean look at Thok how so many times we ran SoO and seeing this big cool looking Devilsaur wanting to tame it yet were unable to so they decided to give us the Thokinator also the raptor and gryphon are new so they let us have something new to camp. Don't forget the feathermanes even though it is gated we still will finally get gryphon pets. And ya I bet they were thinking of those who didn't get the pets cause of risking their account not to mention those who had them flaunting it in front of others saying haha look at my puppy so if anyone is to blame it is those players who flaunted them.

Blizzard could have been really mean and banned our accounts for cheating or given us suspensions for doing this yet they took puppy away and let us keep playing sure it is heartbreaking but we will get over it and if any of you are quitting over this I think you need to look at your priorities.
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Re: Dreamway Prowler Pup and Emberspit Scorp - UPDATE: HOTFI

Unread post by Valnaaros » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:03 pm

It is an exploit. We used a system in the game for an unintended purpose. That is what an exploit is. It isn't always about getting an advantage

Agreed, Iowa. This isn't something to quit over.

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