It exists.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

I actually found it hilarious that Mania was saying that. *Laughs*

[cowmuflage]

Oh theres a guy who makes vids where he just reads outload bad fan fics its so funny XD

[Mania]

Just for you Mania,
Koltira/Thassarian fanfic I just found with the aid of Google :
http://community.livejournal.com/springkink/934265.html

Thanks! That wasn't bad.

I actually found it hilarious that Mania was saying that. *Laughs*

What, you don't think I'm human? I have to admit that I'm not generally much of a slash reader, although I do adore yaoi web comics. Koltira and Thassarian hit both of those, I suppose, and anyway male blood elves are really quite sexy.

[cowmuflage]

Oh Mania then theres a girl in my animation class who you would like then she basicly only draws yaoi.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

No I know yer human, it just really amused me that it was you saying it. *Laughs* It wouldn't have been quite so funny if it weren't late and it had been some one else. But you coming in yelling "Slash slash slash!" was just hysterical to me right about then.

[Ryai]

Nevar, I don't think anyone's bashing your opinion. They're bashing what they consider to be a piece of fiction that is lacking in both written and filmed execution, but I didn't see anyone say "Nevar, your opinion sucks" or anything even remotely like that. Even Ryai's direct response to your comment was about how she felt the werewolves in these particular movies/books don't live up to werewolf uhm... myths? Mythology?

Anyway, I really don't hope you take everyone's joking about the movie as a personal attack, cause I guarantee it's not intended that way!

^This

I wasn't bashing you for liking werewolves, nor attacking you. I was attacking the furries for not being werewolves.

Just how I'd go about if someone mentioned Meyer's vampires and liking them, tho, difference is if they were a half brained snowflake of spechulness I probably would chew them up <_>

but yeah, attack you? No- I do have anger problems and I sometimes reply before I read- but I am trying to curb that in, as I do like being here on Petopia and while I will probably always get into arguments, unless I start viciously attacking someone's character, I'm not bashing them.

<.<

sides I got a black list of people to bash anyways. And no one here is ANYTHING like them.

Edit:

No no no no no no no. GAH, what is it with women and slash fics?!

Same as straight men liking lesbians? :p no offense or anything. I don't know and I like the occasional slash/yaoi/etc story or fic or manga. I can't really stand seeing gays kissing in public tho. Not really for homophobia but just the last two I saw, one looked like a relative and the other looked like my dad. I almost threw up then and there. And straight couples making out to disgust me, mean a quick kiss is fine.

But when you're digging for gold, no just, no go somewhere private please.

[Mania]

Same as straight men liking lesbians? :p

I was just thinking about this! Certainly for me there are similarities with what I've been told is the attraction to lesbians for men, i.e. imagining myself involved. *cough*

Hmm .. you know, I think I may still be manic.

[Ryai]

Same as straight men liking lesbians? :p

I was just thinking about this! Certainly for me there are similarities with what I've been told is the attraction to lesbians for men, i.e. imagining myself involved. *cough*

Hmm .. you know, I think I may still be manic.

Well imagining two sexy men is never really a bad thing :p

Tho it is fun to laugh over 8D

[cowmuflage]

You know one of the first fanfictions on the internet was about spock and kirk. >.>

[Mania]

Hahah! That's wonderful, Ryai!

[Ryai]

Hahah! That's wonderful, Ryai!

Nah don't praise me, it's not my work 8D it's from a fan series/comic bashing mary sues, called 'Ensign Sue Must Die', so far, Ensign Sue has so much 'halves' she's now 2 and a half people, her hair streak, eyes and beauty mark change color.

And she has a beagle borg dog now lol.

You know one of the first fanfictions on the internet was about spock and kirk. >.>

I find it funny how people still take friendship and twist it into stuff like that <.<

since on the series Kirk was such a womanizing character

..

Tho hey there's always Boston Legal? 8D

[cowmuflage]

Ah thats true Boston Legal is good.

[Sarayana]

Curse you Ryai!!! *shakes fist* *googles "ensign sue must die* *promptly forgets all about chores*

[Palladiamorsdeus]

The lesbian thing did occur to me, but that's not something I've ever personally found attractive. *Laughs* What people do behind closed door's is their buisness, tho'!

Ensign Sue must die....*Chuckles* I'll have to look that one up for a friend of mine later. Do not get me started on my loathing of all things Mary Sue, thoough. We'd be here all day as I foamed at the mouth and raged about it.

[Karathyriel]

I have to admit that, when I learned about fanfic, I was fascinated by the idea to read more stuff about cool characters that was written by people who liked them as much as I do.

I was horrified and disgusted to see almost all fanfic going bad with only sex as content. That wasn't how I wanted to see my "heroes"...

Fanfic is bad stuff!

As for the question if this is a werewolf or that is a vampire...
We all have certain pictures in our minds, that have been created through time as we picked up all the aspects we liked and dropped all the aspects we didn't.
Vampires have been pictured as bloodthirsty beasts, tragical creatures of the night, handsome lovers or killing monsters. Same goes with werewolves. What about zombies? You like 'em slow and dumb, creeping around calling for BRAIIIIIINSS or do you like 'em clever, fast strong and more like predators than flesh eating slugs? It's all a matter of taste and since we haven't caught a vampire, werewolf or zombie yet, we can't point our fingers and say: "See? They are liike this!" and so every description is a s good as the other one, no matter if you like it or it feels appropriate to you.

I'm pretty sure there is twillight porn. Porn industry tries to jump on every train that seems to be flushing some money into their accounts. I've seen covers of Lord of the Rings porn, WoW porn, James Bond porn, even porn with actors that were lookalikes (well, kindof.. not really) of the british royal family. And, believe it or not, porn where actors have been painted blue from head to toe and got some smurf porn going on... Even Papa Smurf was there with his white beard made of cotton, all jumping on poor Smurfette who probably wasn't able to walk for a couple of days after making that movie...

[Ryai]

Lol I didn't think it'd be so popular.

http://comicalclare.deviantart.com/gall ... e-Must-Die

"See? They are liike this!" and so every description is a s good as the other one, no matter if you like it or it feels appropriate to you.

Yes but the thing is, Meyers wrote her vampires without even looking up -any- lore until her main character did, surprise surprise. She also admited the werewolves weren't were's/lycans at all but Skinwalkers.

Warning of TLDR;

Possibly the best documented skinwalker beliefs are those relating to the Navajo yee naaldlooshii (literally "with it, he goes on all fours" in the Navajo language). A yee naaldlooshii is one of several varieties of Navajo witch (specifically an ’ánt’įįhnii or practitioner of the Witchery Way, as opposed to a user of curse-objects (’adagąsh) or a practitioner of Frenzy Way (’azhįtee)). Technically, the term refers to an ’ánt’įįhnii who is using his (rarely her) powers to travel in animal form. In some versions men or women who have attained the highest level of priesthood then commit the act of killing an immediate member of their family, and then have thus gained the evil powers that are associated with skinwalkers.

The ’ánt’įįhnii are human beings who have gained supernatural power by breaking a cultural taboo. Specifically, a person is said to gain the power to become a yee naaldlooshii upon initiation into the Witchery Way. Both men and women can become ’ánt’įįhnii and therefore possibly skinwalkers, but men are far more numerous. It is generally thought that only childless women can become witches.

Although it is most frequently seen as a coyote, wolf, owl, fox, or crow, the yee naaldlooshii is said to have the power to assume the form of any animal they choose, depending on what kind of abilities they need. Witches use the form for expedient travel, especially to the Navajo equivalent of the 'Black Mass', a perverted song (and the central rite of the Witchery Way) used to curse instead of to heal. They also may transform to escape from pursuers.

Some Navajo also believe that skinwalkers have the ability to steal the "skin" or body of a person. The Navajo believe that if you lock eyes with a skinwalker they can absorb themselves into your body. It is also said that skinwalkers avoid the light and that their eyes glow like an animal's when in human form and when in animal form their eyes do not glow as an animal's would.

A skinwalker is usually described as naked, except for an animal skin. Some Navajos describe them as a mutated version of the animal in question. The skin may just be a mask, like those which are the only garment worn in the witches' song.

Because animal skins are used primarily by skinwalkers, the pelt of animals such as bears, coyotes, wolves, and cougars are strictly tabooed. Sheepskin and buckskin are probably two of the few hides used by Navajos; the latter is used only for ceremonial purposes.

To sum it up; Skinwalkers are things you don't want to meet on a dark night. Are things you don't want to meet- alone or not. And are things that are evil for the most part and not good.

That's why everyone hates her 'skinwalkers' as they are a perversion to a legend that does exist, Karathyriel.

[Karathyriel]

Yes, exactly my point!

There is a skinwalker legend. And hers are different from that.

There also is a vampire legend. How many different types of vampires have we seen in books or movies so far? Is that a bad thing?

As long as we are talking about fiction, anything goes.
Oh, just to make sure you get me right: I hate that twillight stuff. It's, in my opinion, just cheap crap. Maybe the first one really had some charm but the sequels... C'mon! But I have to admit, by the amount of cash she's getting from it, It'd continued to write as well, no matter how crappy my stuff would be. Milk the cow as long as possible.

Anyway, there are so many legends and stories about beasts, ghosts, aliens and what not, a lot of them around for a very long time. Does that make them true stories? Would you be less upset if she'd called them "transformers" instead of skinwalker? It's just that you have a certain picture in your head what a skinwalker should be like and hers doesn't match yours, that's all.

Here's one to cheer up:
Two Yetis meet somewhere up in the himalyas. "Hey", said the first, "I've seen Reinhold Messner yesterday!" "Haha", laughed the second, "everyone knows that Messner doesn't exist!"

[Ryai]

Anyway, there are so many legends and stories about beasts, ghosts, aliens and what not, a lot of them around for a very long time. Does that make them true stories? Would you be less upset if she'd called them "transformers" instead of skinwalker? It's just that you have a certain picture in your head what a skinwalker should be like and hers doesn't match yours, that's all.

That's the thing see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin-walker , it wasn't just the numerous legends/myths she ignored, it was also the fact that she pretty much ignored not just that- nor how the skin walker myths came about or -why- but also I don't think she even looked up Native American culture.

It's one thing to just willy nilly up twisted lore for a creature like a vampire. But for Skin Walkers? They're part of Native American's history. Meyers showed she had no respect for them. That's why the skinwalkers are so hated. It's not about 'They aren't true stories', it's the fact they're part of a culture and she basically disrespected it.

[Karathyriel]

Oh please...

Where was the outcry of disgust when Joanne K. Rowling violated everything we knew about magicians so far? Why didn't you complain when Blizzard was f**king with Norse mythology in WotLK? Have you been angry when the first clever and fast moving zombies appeared in a horror movie?

It's pretty much people do simply not like that twillight crap, which I understand. But this is just trying to find reasons to rip on something you don't like. Remeber when fans of Star Wars cried out in agony, when the mystical Force could be measured by a simple blood test in Episode 1? Or when they announced that Anakin Skywalker had no father? That he was an immaculate conception? How stupid was that? And, strictly speaking, how rude to all people who believed in god and Jesus?

Why do you make a difference between skinwalkers (native american culture) and vampires (romanian culture)? Or zombies (carribean culture)? Every legend has its source and we should respect them all. Or not at all as we are still speaking of fiction, I'd say.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand where you are coming from. But please. If you wash the dishes, please wash them all in the same tub. Don't rub the ones you like cleaner and complain about the other being filthy.

[Ryai]

Oh please...

Where was the outcry of disgust when Joanne K. Rowling violated everything we knew about magicians so far? Why didn't you complain when Blizzard was f**king with Norse mythology in WotLK? Have you been angry when the first clever and fast moving zombies appeared in a horror movie?

Maybe because she didn't and there's many takes on witches n wizards, not just what Disney has done?

Or the fact that while Blizzard did twist Norse Mythology, it wasn't twisting so much as being inspired by? There is a difference between Twisting and being inspired by.

It's pretty much people do simply not like that twillight crap, which I understand. But this is just trying to find reasons to rip on something you don't like. Remeber when fans of Star Wars cried out in agony, when the mystical Force could be measured by a simple blood test in Episode 1? Or when they announced that Anakin Skywalker had no father? That he was an immaculate conception? How stupid was that? And, strictly speaking, how rude to all people who believed in god and Jesus?

Um no it's not? I was fine to be disgruntled over them just being werewolves, but with how Meyers portrayed not just a supposedly evil 'sect' as Skinwalkers were dubbed, but the fact that as alot of people pointed out in some anti twilight sites/blogs, is how she portrayed, using this and the 'bonding' for Native Americans to be inferior and such.

And I never found Star Wars rude to God or Jesus O_o it's not even got earth in it- it's space men in a space time in a space future. Or space past. If anything, someone said the closest thing it was mocking, was the stance of Republicans/Liberals.

Why do you make a difference between skinwalkers (native american culture) and vampires (romanian culture)? Or zombies (carribean culture)? Every legend has its source and we should respect them all. Or not at all as we are still speaking of fiction, I'd say.

Maybe because I thought Vampires and Zombies were an in general deal, while Skinwalkers are specific. Like how Dragons means in general, but start listing off specific species 'native' to specific countries, then you start getting to the nitty gritty.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand where you are coming from. But please. If you wash the dishes, please wash them all in the same tub. Don't rub the ones you like cleaner and complain about the other being filthy.

Already explained. Meyers basically dissed native americans/a legend, which is different than making vampires sparkle.


but then she's a mormon and mormon religion basically disses native americans anyways >_>