Worgan story question?

[cowmuflage]

And who says they where time portals? Theres good chances it was not a time portal aswell.

[Saturo]

They clearly stated "They came from dimensional portals.", not "We think they may have come from dimensional portals.". They even stated that the primitive Worgen were fighting a powerful enemy on their home dimension, and now they just removed that. None of the new lore makes any sense now.

[cowmuflage]

Maybe the druids learned to turn into worgen from those worgen? dunno just throwing ideas in the air.

[Karathyriel]

In my opinion, the worgen were designed with only one idea in mind:

"We need something cool!"

With their ability to switch into human form, they don't qualify as a new race in my opinion. I'm not very happy with the goblins either but the worgen are plain stupid.

As far as I know, the worgen were brought to Azeroth by Arugal and were later kept around Shadowfang Keep, as Arugal took responsibility for them. That's the lore as far as I understood. To make them simple werewolfs and suggest that the night elf druids had something to do with their curse is very weird.

When worgen were announced, I was glad that they've been made alliance, drawing all those kiddies, who joined horde for the blood elves, back to alliance again.

Now that I canceled my account in order not to be drawn in that facebook-like social networking crap and real-ID idiocy, I couldn't care less, that's true.

For role players, Blizzard is destroying a wonderful world step by step.

[Shinryu Masaki]

In my opinion, the worgen were designed with only one idea in mind:

"We need something cool!"

With their ability to switch into human form, they don't qualify as a new race in my opinion. I'm not very happy with the goblins either but the worgen are plain stupid.

As far as I know, the worgen were brought to Azeroth by Arugal and were later kept around Shadowfang Keep, as Arugal took responsibility for them. That's the lore as far as I understood. To make them simple werewolfs and suggest that the night elf druids had something to do with their curse is very weird.

When worgen were announced, I was glad that they've been made alliance, drawing all those kiddies, who joined horde for the blood elves, back to alliance again.

Now that I canceled my account in order not to be drawn in that facebook-like social networking crap and real-ID idiocy, I couldn't care less, that's true.

For role players, Blizzard is destroying a wonderful world step by step.

Arugal wasn't the only one summoning worgens. There was a night elf girl too, name escapes me, I think she was a priestess too. She prayed to Elune to help her, and a Scythe appeared in front of her. With said weapon she was able to summon worgens and fight the demons in Felwood. At one point the scythe seemed to have a mind of its own and was summoning worgens without the night elf's consent. She left on a journey to find Arugal because she heard he summoned worgens too. I'm not sure if she survived or not, as the quest chain ends in a worgen filled mine in Duskwood, where she appears ghostly when you check a pile of dirt on the ground in the back of the mine.

As for teh lore, I haven't read the new one for Cataclysm yet. But what I was trying to say was that the lore we knew was most likely told from the perspective of the in game characters who dealed with the worgens, and that it was a possibility that those characters where mistaken about the worgen's origins.

Edit: Btw dude, why did you cancel your account due to Real-ID? You're not forced to use it, and nothing will change from what you where doing before it was installed. I'm confused by what you said. O_o;

[cowmuflage]

No you see the lore is not just from peoples perspectives as its mostly never done like that as in orgin storys. The new one is basicly saying screw all that they are druids! None of the lore they made and kept for years is true!

[Kayb]

gah, they're changing that lore in this manner?? that does blow I have to say. what they had originally was far more interesting than druids-have-keg-party-druids-gone-wild

[cowmuflage]

yeah worgen are druids who worpshiped a wolf god and then did not want to turn back into there normal forms O.o

[Shinryu Masaki]

No you see the lore is not just from peoples perspectives as its mostly never done like that as in orgin storys. The new one is basicly saying screw all that they are druids! None of the lore they made and kept for years is true!

So there's a book or something about the worgens? Cause the only lore i've seen of them are in game. The wiki page can be edited by anyone and their grandmothers so I don't really trust everything posted there.

[Kayb]

WoWwiki is pretty reliable, the people in charge there are very good at making sure things posted are correct and not just any ol thing. In fact, they probably keep better track of what is and isn't lore better than Blizz itself does

[cowmuflage]

Yeah wowwikki is VERY good for lore and as Kayb said the owners are very good and correct things that dicks change its way better than the real wiki!

[Kayb]

I love WoWwiki

[cowmuflage]

aye its the best place for pics of races. Its helped me heaps in makeing those model sheets i do. Just search humanoids and get every race in wow so handy.

[Mindsprocket]

Well, to be fair, the history of the worgen given on WoWWiki does seem to be based on the quests about Arugal and Shadowfang Keep and the Scythe of Elune. So Shinryu has a point that all we've known about their origin so far is the guesswork of in-game characters. And the explenation now seems to be that these characters were wrong.

My personal theory is that the main reason for this retcon is to have an explanation for why worgen are druids, which is something I wondered about ever since it was anounced. It certainly isn't necessary for explaining why they're worgen in the first place. There've always been rumours that Arugal's shenanigans have spread to Gilneas (among players at least). So when it was anounced that the Gilneans are worgen it didn't surprise me at all.

But the druid thing? There's been nothing so far about human druids, so the Gilneans weren't druids before they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. And they couldn't have actually learned druidism from anyone while they were shut off because, well, they were shut off. Solution? They got infected with druidism! Of course!

I wonder what Arugal will say when he finds out that he's been cursing people with druidism.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

No dice, Mind. Not that I think you were being serious, but if they DID do that retcon as a way of trying to explain the druids, then they failed miserably. Since, you know, the Gilneans are druids before the infection takes them. Like I said before, they could have done a little handwaving, lampshaded it a bit ((It isn't to far fetched to think that a nation cut off from the rest of the world could become closer to nature)) and then gone with where the trail was originally leading.

[Shinryu Masaki]

When I saw the original cata trailer at BlizzCon 2009, when they said that old allies resurfaced to bring the worgens to the alliance, and then showed 3 night elf girls, who I think where wearing druid tiers, I thought that the druids in the past might have done experiments trying to teach druidism to humans and that it didn't turn out right (as in the humans weren't mentally strong enough to control their feral form), or that the worgens where nelf druids themselves.

What is still a bit confusing is that the nelf girl who had the Scythe of Elune said she saw the worgen's home world, and that they where fighting the lord of the emerald flame, which a lot of people think it's the Burning Legion. That does seem quite fitting as they often use green flames. What she saw might have been an area where the night elves fought the Burning Legion in the past on Azeroth during the time when Azshara was still their queen. Would explain the old druid order who where worgens. Or it could have also been the Gilneans in Outland. Maybe even both. Who knows? The only thing we can do is speculate on this, as I honestly doubt Blizzard is going to explain that part to us.

As for the worgen cuse being transmitted through biting, it was already known 2 years ago, at least alliance side. There's a quest chain in Grizzly Hills where at one point you have to help a guy escape from an infected village, and before going with you he ask if you where bitten a few times, even screaming it the last time, to make sure you're not a worgen. When he sees you're in the clear you both get on a horse and run through the forest while countless worgens tries to kill the horse before you reach Amberpine Lodge. There's also a part before that where you need to get back an artifact from the horde, and give it back to the infected people (at that point you're not supposed to know they're really worgens). When the guy gets the box back he almost spill out that said artifact is the Scythe of Elune. So where is that weapon now is unknown. It might be lost somewhere in Northrend for all we know.

[Nevar]

Im gunna say this IF I remember correctly worgen history was never set in stone it was believed this and believed that. So Blizzard had to change it around to give the worgen some kind of backstory? Oh well its different if you take set in stone lore and mess with it BUT not much was known about the worgen/where they came from in the first place. And to me this makes a whole lot more sense than them being from a different dimension IMO I prefir this story because it makes sense to me.

[Saturo]

Im gunna say this IF I remember correctly worgen history was never set in stone it was believed thia dn believed that. So Blizzard had to change it around to give the worgen some kind of backstory? Oh well its different if you take set in stone lore and mess with it BUT not much was known about the worgen/where they came from in the first place. And to me this makes a whole lot more sense than them being from a different dimension IMO I prefir this story because it makes sense to me. :D

Feel free to explain HOW it makes sense. Not only did they change fairly established lore, they also didn't replace it with anything even half good. For example, there's no explanation as to why the second generation worgen didn't get druid powers, yet some apparently have them anyway. None of it makes sense right now.

[Nevar]

/shrug - To each his own but I understand the story but the worgen were in sense savagekin which does exist. A druid who has become stuck in their current form they can invoke the powers of tooth and claw but thats about it. They become feral and hostile towards just about everything. The new worgen races are different than these "Savagekin" - http://www.wowwiki.com/Savagekin - but I've said my peace it makes sense to me, if everyone else despises it then I suppose they have their reasons but I have mine for liking it.

[cowmuflage]

I just found them comeing from a differnt dimension to be way cooler that "oh they are druids" ya know? it added spice to the worgen and made them unique in the wow universe to me. Unlike druids that are not :S