"Watch your clever mouth, bitch."

[Kalliope]

I find it amusing that Sylvanas really throws her immoral decision at Garrosh, making it as much his problem as her own choice to cross that line. After all, Garrosh may not like her methods, but he still depends on Forsaken forces to maintain some semblance of control. And Sylvanas herself making this sort of choice makes sense. She's been seething for years, since she was struck down and brought back to life....with Arthas gone and with him, her focus for her bitterness, it makes perfect sense that now she'd want as many others to suffer as she has.

Somehow, actually SEEING this dialogue play out made things that much clearer.

[Cerah]

Don't forget Saurfang threatened to kill Garrosh too
So lets see, people who want to kill/see Garrosh dead:
* Saurfang
* Vol'jin <3
* Sylvanas
* Wrynn
* 75% of the Horde population.

Only 75%? I could have sworn it was more than that.

If I had a choice right now, I'd like to see Garosh killed in a duel with Vol'Jin who takes over as warchief but I'm pretty sure the orcs won't accept anyone as warchief that is not an orc.

Maybe it's time for the Horde to have its own civil rights movement. Who says the warchief *has* to be an Orc anyway? 5 out of 6 Horde members aren't Orcs, after all.

Vol'jin for Warchief! It's time for Hope and Change!

[Karathyriel]

The problem is that most races joined the horde but the horde always have been orcs. Right, Thrall formed a new horde. But he formed it from the orcs that were stranded on Azeroth. The word horde always meant orcs.

The tauren tribes joined the horde after the orcs came to the rescue when they've nearly been extinct by centaurs.
The darkspear trolls joined the horde when the orcs came to the rescue when they've nearly been extinct by murlocs.
The forsaken joined the horde when they found everybody was trying to put them down and they needed some allies.
The blood elves joined the horde when the alliance threw them out and they needed some allies.
The goblins will join the horde when the survivors of Kezan will be attacked by the alliance and need some help to survive.

You see? No one ever helped the orcs. They always managed to go on by themselves, even when they have been defeated and imprisoned by the humans. As soon as they gave up the demonic powers and their shaman powers returned, they became strong again.
Is it so strange that Garrosh sees all the others as weak? But don't get me wrong here. I'm not defending his actions. Thrall leaving and putting Garrosh in his place is, as you can clearly see, an error of epic proportions. Unless Thrall knows something nobody else does.
Thrall fought Garrosh for the horde leadership when WotLK was introduced and this fight was interrupted and never been fought to the end.
What did Thrall learn in Nagrand, that changed his mind? I mean, first he was ready to fight to the death to keep being warchief and now he simply claps Garroshs shoulder, offers him his seat and goes away?

How I hate to not be able to see what is going on!