King Krush even more difficult to tame now!

[Oom]

Edit 4: Extremely difficult, but still possible. Need fearward, lots and lots of haste, and possibly hero.



Northrend rare spawns are up. So I went to get my spirit beasts and King. Well, BM is either bugged, or you lose your immunity to fear when you abandon pet....anyways. I still had BW up and he continued to stun/fear me. Not to mention he hits twice as hard now -.-

Edit: Okay maybe he doesn't hit twice as hard, but he was critting me for 5k earlier -.-
Edit2: Okay...was it always "The beast does not feel pity, remorse or fear"? I thought it was the beast and player.
Edit3: Okay was me being a hunter noob >.> all I do is tame stuff...I don't pay attention to the details lol. Well....as it is now, its impossible to tame him. So do it on live while you can!



So far I've found Putridus, Loque, King Krush and Vyragosa....no Aotona, Gondria, Arcturis or Skoll D: lol

[Golden]

Wasn't the CC immunity part of Bestial Wrath taken away a few builds back?

You're making a really good point here, Krush not being as available for taming as it is now. o.o

[Oom]

Wasn't the CC immunity part of Bestial Wrath taken away a few builds back?

You're making a really good point here, Krush not being as available for taming as it is now. o.o

I don't know ^^; I haven't follow hunter stuff...like ever. Unless it partained to taming. And I haven't kept up with much in the past two months either...

I'm SO glad I got King on live though.

[Dewclaw]

You're making a really good point here, Krush not being as available for taming as it is now. o.o

Ohh, that is a good point.

[Oom]

Oh...random..thing...

I'm not sure if I got the macro right, or if it was changed in previous builds

but /script PetAbandon() no longer works, and I'm pretty sure I used it back when I originally tamed him

[Curumor]

The old talent says at the end: "While enraged, you do not feel pity or remorse or fear and cannot be stopped unless killed", while the new talent is missing that part...

Also, according to the tooltip, you apparently do not get a 10% standard dmg boost from the talent anymore, just the 10% while enraged.

This makes me nervous about BM pvp..
It's already been confirmed that it doesn't break CC's or stuns anymore.

Edit: Link to live talent tree and current Cata build:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter#,,12213
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=ffR.9sm.hunter

[bluddy]

crap so it's better to sacrifice a pet and go tame him on live?

[Oom]

crap so it's better to sacrifice a pet and go tame him on live?

Probably. Unless the BW change is already live. That I do not know...lol

So far I know for fact Loque is still around...though why they would remove ANY of the Northrend rares would be beyond me....I was just checking on them because all my beasts + king were deleted with this weeks build D:

[Curumor]

crap so it's better to sacrifice a pet and go tame him on live?

Probably. Unless the BW change is already live. That I do not know...lol

So far I know for fact Loque is still around...though why they would remove ANY of the Northrend rares would be beyond me....I was just checking on them because all my beasts + king were deleted with this weeks build D:

Last I checked, TBW still has it's CC/stun breaking and immunity. Haven't pvp'd as BM in quite some time, but still part of the current talent tooltip so..

As for Northrend rares disappearing... I dunno. It is a part of Azeroth, so would make sense if it got hit by the Cataclysm too.
Would be nice to have a heads up though, so people can get to taming

[Sarayana]

They haven't changed TBW yet.

Curumor, I wouldn't worry too much. They're working to bring all the classes more in line with each other, and that means that some types of talents will be scaled back. For example, I just found out that they're removing all direct threat transfer talents to make the tanks work more for threat, which means that misdirect is going to be a temporary threat transfer in Cata (like Shadowmeld, I imagine... it doesn't dump the threat, it just gives the tank time to build up more threat).

As for the removal of the 10% extra damage from TBW, I think it was tagged on to make BM competitive. Perhaps it's not needed in Cata, which would be welcome news.

Edit: They've said they're not touching Outlands and Northrend. I imagine a few changes will happen; for example, we can't visit Thrall in Orgrimmar as part of the Greatmother quest chain in Nagrand. But all in all, we won't see any changes in those two continents.

[Azunara]

/is glad she has Krush. That's....kind of unfair/annoying. They should either give another skin elsewhere, give immunity back, or make him trappable. Sure, it'd make him an easier tame and make my Krush less unique....But I could care less. I'd rather be able to tame him in the future than never being able to again.

[Nevar]

I was gunna try to tame him on Nev.. I'm so torn now I hope he really is still tameable or they fix this or add stable slots sooner.. /sigh

[Sarayana]

/is glad she has Krush. That's....kind of unfair/annoying. They should either give another skin elsewhere, give immunity back, or make him trappable. Sure, it'd make him an easier tame and make my Krush less unique....But I could care less. I'd rather be able to tame him in the future than never being able to again.

Don't forget that we'll be leveling another 5 levels in Cata though. Yeah, he'll still hit us like a mack truck and fear, but we might be able to stack even more haste and who knows what goodies other classes may have to help us.

Someone suggested I try taming King Dred by having a holy priest sacrifice himself because the heals in angel form (I forget the name) have no threat and he could keep me up no problem. If I can get a shammy to come with me as well, that's heroism and heals for the tame. At that point, I don't know if it'll even be a problem to get the tame off. I'm sure we'll find ways around it, is my point.

[Kalliope]

Errrrrrr....

It is NOT impossible to tame him without the immunity. I know this because it was an utter MESS when I tamed him myself (friggen' warrior/druid tryin' to kill us!) and I didn't have the luxury of taming him with BW or even fear ward up. All I got was heals, and that was enough.

It might be impossible in Cata to tame him without help, but not impossible to tame him at all.

So uh...don't panic!

I was gunna try to tame him on Nev.. I'm so torn now I hope he really is still tameable or they fix this or add stable slots sooner.. /sigh

P.S. This won't work, because the BW change will go in the same patch.

[Curumor]

They haven't changed TBW yet.

Curumor, I wouldn't worry too much. They're working to bring all the classes more in line with each other, and that means that some types of talents will be scaled back. For example, I just found out that they're removing all direct threat transfer talents to make the tanks work more for threat, which means that misdirect is going to be a temporary threat transfer in Cata (like Shadowmeld, I imagine... it doesn't dump the threat, it just gives the tank time to build up more threat).

As for the removal of the 10% extra damage from TBW, I think it was tagged on to make BM competitive. Perhaps it's not needed in Cata, which would be welcome news.

Yeah, after taking into consideration the new Aspect of the Fox mechanic (which works quite nicely, from what I hear), and a few other BM specific abilities, it shouldn't hit too hard. The loss of a stun/cc breaker does suck though

The 10% isn't a big deal, since that's probably equalled out elsewhere anyway. Just noticed it was missing from the tooltip. ^^


As for King Krush (to get back on topic), has anyone checked Un'Goro lately? Maybe there are new green dinos there? Off-chance, but worth a look.

[Ryai]

This doesn't mean he can't be tamed, just that you absolutely positively need a 10 second tame beast cast plus a priest to Fear Ward you

[Oom]

You don't understand....I popped tame and was stunned/feared not even 2 seconds into it both times I tried lol

[Adam-Savage]

Wasn't the CC immunity part of Bestial Wrath taken away a few builds back?

You're making a really good point here, Krush not being as available for taming as it is now. o.o

No it's still there. I've been in heroics where everyone but me got feared because I had hit BM. Your prob lay loosing the immune to fear when the pet goes. King Krush is not easy to tame solo. You need alot of haste so the tame goes faster and a healer would be nice to as he hits hard.

[Kalliope]

You don't understand....I popped tame and was stunned/feared not even 2 seconds into it both times I tried lol

Yeah, I was in combat with him for a loooooong time when I got my tame done (and when my friend tamed him). It's basically an outlasting game; we just stuck it out in combat with him until a non-fearing period hit and the tames went off. Definitely not the most efficient way of doing it, but it did work.

No it's still there. I've been in heroics where everyone but me got feared because I had hit BM.

We're talking about BW on the beta, Adam, not live.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

On the TBW change, Blizzard is doing a blanket removal of a lot of effects that make classes harder to kill in PvP. It's sort of a return to earlier days, when there were a lot less counter-talents for things. So it isn't just BM that's being hit by that particular stick. The beast should still be un-CCable, though.

Also, on the beta, the damage for everything above level 65 has been increased. Starting at double damage, I think? And then going much, much higher into the eighties, up to dealing 4 times as much damage as previous.