Seige of Orgrimmar and Varian Wrynn's Development

[Lisaara]

Oh? Go to 11 minutes in the vid. They say it clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PaM1T88 ... ure=colike

That wasn't Blizzcon. So...seems they did change their mind. I stand corrected then. I wonder why MMO Champ or other places didn't state that. That's a pretty big detail!

[Jadein92]

Never said it was at Blizzcon, i just stated that he was returning.

[Lisaara]

Either way, thank you for the source. Well...this definitely is a new twist and I'm loving it! I just might go back to being horde!

[Worba]

Definitely, Wain. :3 A lot is up to speculation at the moment.

Gim, Peace is always the ultimate goal. That'll never change. Varian is the new 'Thrall' it seems.

That'll make for a boring warcraft if they all got along XD

Exactly.

[Jadein92]

*punts gnome*

WAR IS BACK ON

[Lisaara]

*punts gnome*

WAR IS BACK ON

Psh. Gnome Punting is a sport...it's like football but with gnomes.

[cowmuflage]

*punts gnome*

WAR IS BACK ON

Psh. Gnome Punting is a sport...it's like football but with gnomes.

The Horde just copyed that from the Orcs in Warhammer. They just changed from Stunties (dwarfs) to Gnomes Gnomes are cheaper

Oi! lets punt a few stunties with da boyz! WWWWAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!

[Jadein92]

Stunties sound so much better xD

[Worba]

They also had Ghazghkull, who was the real deal...

[cowmuflage]

They also had Ghazghkull, who was the real deal...

I would pay for a cross over of that. Him and his boyz just showing up in Org out of thin air. Would be epic.

[Miacoda]

During Blizzcon, I dont remember which panel it was, but I'm pretty extra sure Metzen said something along the lines of "You're getting your Warchief back." I need to find the panel... I think it was either open Q&A or lore. Ugh why must they all be so long haha.

Be back in a few hours with my source.

EDIT: Yeah no I couldn't find it... XD So... video that was posted is the best source, heh (though it would have been the best source anyway because it is current).

[baldcore]

Im actually worried about this a little. In the name of advancing lore, blizzard has decided that horde world leaders are expendable no matter how little it improves on the lore to have them die. Cairn was killed practicly off camera just for shock value and the storyline for his death was never even resolved properly. Sylvannis was killed by worgen then brought back but at a heavy price which indicates that she too is a goner soon or later. If you think that is bad it gets worse.

Then there is the use of horde cities as instanced events. Undercity was supposed to be a mega fortress with massive protection and yet it took just a little effort for it to be taken over by demons and then taken over by the alliance and horde with very small contingents. Now we have ogrimmar which is supposed to be a mega fortress designed for taking on direct assaults with massive weaponry ready to strike at any moment and yet now its suddenly weak enough that just a puny group of adventurers is just gonna waltz in and kill a major faction leader like he was some boss grind. This sets to prove blizzard is willing to make the horde pay some serious prices just to advance a storyline by a small percentage.

Now the alliance has lost some territory but so did the horde. Some cities have been destroyed on both sides but I have yet to see an alliance major city even once become an instanced event. As for faction leader deaths, many people will claim magni is dead but I highly doubt it since that crystalization effect probably has just put him in a coma for now as well as given him a new crystal form. Other than that little hiccup we have yet to see any of the faction leaders get so much as a scratch with the exception of a failed attempt on varian's life. This only proves to me that although lore wise the alliance has not always gotten the best story, they have yet to have such a turn over of faction leaders as the horde has had. As much as blizzard claims it is all fair, this latest news has me worried that blizzard may not actually be as fair as they claim to be. When is it fair to kill off the favorite faction leaders on one side but absolutely leave the other side almost completely untouched?

[Worba]

Im actually worried about this a little. In the name of advancing lore, blizzard has decided that horde world leaders are expendable no matter how little it improves on the lore to have them die. Cairn was killed practicly off camera just for shock value and the storyline for his death was never even resolved properly. Sylvannis was killed by worgen then brought back but at a heavy price which indicates that she too is a goner soon or later. If you think that is bad it gets worse.

I thought Cairne's death served a useful purpose - namely that in a faction like the Horde (again, the harder / more conan-esque version that I prefer), noble and peace loving individuals like Cairne have no place. If Garrosh goes down, well to me that's dog-eat-dog, and could also be fitting... unless the rumors are true that Obi Wan Thrall is his replacement... X[

Now Sylvanas on the other hand - I agree with you there. Having her one shotted by Arugal's replacement was almost as lame as having her trip and fall down a flight of stairs or something. I mean, I'm not averse to her going down in bloody combat with a worthy adversary, but that ... was just sad.

[cowmuflage]

Oh my Conan I love him <3

Funny how 1 guy can one shot Sylvanas yet it takes a raid of players to kill her useally YET it only takes 5 players to kill her killer O.o

[Talaridan]

Oh my Conan I love him <3

Funny how 1 guy can one shot Sylvanas yet it takes a raid of players to kill her useally YET it only takes 5 players to kill her killer O.o

Shhh, shhh...no one needs your logics! <3

I have wondered the same thing myself though.

[Lisaara]

Im actually worried about this a little. In the name of advancing lore, blizzard has decided that horde world leaders are expendable no matter how little it improves on the lore to have them die. Cairn was killed practicly off camera just for shock value and the storyline for his death was never even resolved properly. Sylvannis was killed by worgen then brought back but at a heavy price which indicates that she too is a goner soon or later. If you think that is bad it gets worse.

Then there is the use of horde cities as instanced events. Undercity was supposed to be a mega fortress with massive protection and yet it took just a little effort for it to be taken over by demons and then taken over by the alliance and horde with very small contingents. Now we have ogrimmar which is supposed to be a mega fortress designed for taking on direct assaults with massive weaponry ready to strike at any moment and yet now its suddenly weak enough that just a puny group of adventurers is just gonna waltz in and kill a major faction leader like he was some boss grind. This sets to prove blizzard is willing to make the horde pay some serious prices just to advance a storyline by a small percentage.

Now the alliance has lost some territory but so did the horde. Some cities have been destroyed on both sides but I have yet to see an alliance major city even once become an instanced event. As for faction leader deaths, many people will claim magni is dead but I highly doubt it since that crystalization effect probably has just put him in a coma for now as well as given him a new crystal form. Other than that little hiccup we have yet to see any of the faction leaders get so much as a scratch with the exception of a failed attempt on varian's life. This only proves to me that although lore wise the alliance has not always gotten the best story, they have yet to have such a turn over of faction leaders as the horde has had. As much as blizzard claims it is all fair, this latest news has me worried that blizzard may not actually be as fair as they claim to be. When is it fair to kill off the favorite faction leaders on one side but absolutely leave the other side almost completely untouched?

You're misreading this very heavily.

Undercity is NOT a megafortress. Undercity used to belong to the Alliance(it's Lordaeron, afterall). Also the dealio with that was it was people already INSIDE the dang city that overran it. It was pretty well stated on how that all happened. Orgrimmar, also, is not a megafortress with super duper weapons. This isn't Mass Effect where they have gunships ready to blow the crap out of anything that comes near their gates.

Alliance has hardly gotten any story. Cataclysm was extremely Horde focused, especially around Garrosh. Also, the HORDE themselves is mounting against Garrosh. It's not the Alliance alone doing so. This seems to be the biggest detail I've noticed thats being missed.

@cow LOL! Good thing I'm not the only one to notice that.

[Talaridan]

Im actually worried about this a little. In the name of advancing lore, blizzard has decided that horde world leaders are expendable no matter how little it improves on the lore to have them die. Cairn was killed practicly off camera just for shock value and the storyline for his death was never even resolved properly. Sylvannis was killed by worgen then brought back but at a heavy price which indicates that she too is a goner soon or later. If you think that is bad it gets worse.

Then there is the use of horde cities as instanced events. Undercity was supposed to be a mega fortress with massive protection and yet it took just a little effort for it to be taken over by demons and then taken over by the alliance and horde with very small contingents. Now we have ogrimmar which is supposed to be a mega fortress designed for taking on direct assaults with massive weaponry ready to strike at any moment and yet now its suddenly weak enough that just a puny group of adventurers is just gonna waltz in and kill a major faction leader like he was some boss grind. This sets to prove blizzard is willing to make the horde pay some serious prices just to advance a storyline by a small percentage.

Now the alliance has lost some territory but so did the horde. Some cities have been destroyed on both sides but I have yet to see an alliance major city even once become an instanced event. As for faction leader deaths, many people will claim magni is dead but I highly doubt it since that crystalization effect probably has just put him in a coma for now as well as given him a new crystal form. Other than that little hiccup we have yet to see any of the faction leaders get so much as a scratch with the exception of a failed attempt on varian's life. This only proves to me that although lore wise the alliance has not always gotten the best story, they have yet to have such a turn over of faction leaders as the horde has had. As much as blizzard claims it is all fair, this latest news has me worried that blizzard may not actually be as fair as they claim to be. When is it fair to kill off the favorite faction leaders on one side but absolutely leave the other side almost completely untouched?

I feel the same way about a lot of this.

And honestly, I'm so tired of hearing "Cata was so Horde-focused". Where? I don't see it being Horde-focused at all. What huge, awesome, amazing things happened to the Horde that didn't happen for the Alliance? Thrall? Thrall is a neutral party at this point.

Truthfully, I'm disappointed as heck to hear he's coming back as Warchief. He's a fine character, but seriously? What the heck was the point of all this nonsense then? He dumped being Warchief to be World-Shaman. Now he's dumping being World-Shaman to be daddy? Now he's dumping his "happy mated life" to be Warchief again? I don't even understand.

I mean, I know Horde is the "bad guys" as the "non human" faction and all, but I still am kind of disappointed with this particular plot/twist/whatever. The rest looks very nice to be honest. I love the screenshots. I love the Asian feel. A lot of stuff are going to be amazing, but nothing I've heard of this particular subject is making me do anything but be rather disappointed.

EDIT FOR THE "Alliance has had no story": Bullhooey! The entire comic book series is 99% about them. All of their major characters have undergone changes. They have had a toooon of story. Which is fine. I think both sides should get lots of good story and attention. But I do not agree in the least that Horde has gotten "so much focus" and the Alliance has not.

[Shinryu Masaki]

EDIT FOR THE "Alliance has had no story": Bullhooey! The entire comic book series is 99% about them. All of their major characters have undergone changes. They have had a toooon of story. Which is fine. I think both sides should get lots of good story and attention. But I do not agree in the least that Horde has gotten "so much focus" and the Alliance has not.

That's one of the major problem, way too many things are happening outside the game. Not everyone knows of the novels nor the comic books, or are willing to buy them. While there was lots of alliance stuff going on in the comics, very little happened in game, if any at all, and that's why a lot of players are complaining. Personally I do not apreciate at all having to go to wowwiki and other sites to figure out wtf happened with the alliance story while I can just see it all happen in game when I play my horde toons.

[Lisaara]

EDIT FOR THE "Alliance has had no story": Bullhooey! The entire comic book series is 99% about them. All of their major characters have undergone changes. They have had a toooon of story. Which is fine. I think both sides should get lots of good story and attention. But I do not agree in the least that Horde has gotten "so much focus" and the Alliance has not.

That's one of the major problem, way too many things are happening outside the game. Not everyone knows of the novels nor the comic books, or are willing to buy them. While there was lots of alliance stuff going on in the comics, very little happened in game, if any at all, and that's why a lot of players are complaining. Personally I do not apreciate at all having to go to wowwiki and other sites to figure out wtf happened with the alliance story while I can just see it all happen in game when I play my horde toons.

Well said. Majority of players DO NOT read the novels or comics.

[Talaridan]

EDIT FOR THE "Alliance has had no story": Bullhooey! The entire comic book series is 99% about them. All of their major characters have undergone changes. They have had a toooon of story. Which is fine. I think both sides should get lots of good story and attention. But I do not agree in the least that Horde has gotten "so much focus" and the Alliance has not.

That's one of the major problem, way too many things are happening outside the game. Not everyone knows of the novels nor the comic books, or are willing to buy them. While there was lots of alliance stuff going on in the comics, very little happened in game, if any at all, and that's why a lot of players are complaining. Personally I do not apreciate at all having to go to wowwiki and other sites to figure out wtf happened with the alliance story while I can just see it all happen in game when I play my horde toons.

A lot of it is in game and in quests too, so I don't buy that either. If anyone wants to know about Cairne, they have to read it outside of the game for the most part, but no one mentions that. Honestly, plenty of information is IN game. People just have to read their darn quests!

I don't see a ton happening to the Horde in game either in that respect. Most of the details you have to go hunting outside sources to locate.