are people in WOW REALLY this mean all the time on purpose?

[Shade]

I actually got in the car today after making that first post and kicked myself for being too blunt. I'm normally a lot more careful about not being so blunt, but that is a hot spot for me. I was pushed around a lot as a kid, and it makes me very angry to see someone let a bunch of bullies get to them-more because I firmly believe that nobody has the right to make someone feel stupid or bad. And it wasn't the intention at first, but that might have been what I came off as myself, so apologies again.

Heck I know how bad emotions can get you. Its not bullying, but I cannot watch The Lion King, never have been able to enjoy it. My father died around the same year that movie came out, and to this day it still makes me bawl like a baby over that loss when I see that movie-even if I fast forward through the stampede scene.

[Sukurachi]

Don't feel bad.
Your apology was heartfelt, and more importantly it was well-received.

I know that at times, I also fall into the "a tiny bit too blunt for my own good" trap (I'm being VERY facetious... because there's "blunt", and then there's "Mjolnir"... I tend to the latter).

I udnerstand totally what you're saying about Lion King..
For me it's the pastry "Millefeuilles". It was my father's favourite. And I love the taste of them.. but one bite will make me throw up. The overwhelming grief that the taste evokes for me is just unbearable.

[Carnacki]

How much dps were you doing? Your thread doesn't give much information yet demands sympathy. By all means though, attention feels good, you made a post that will generate a lot of it, so please carry on.

If someone in my group/raid is under-preforming, I'll let them know. I did a ZA run on my lock last week, I was pulling 19k dps, the hunter was pulling 4k (strict auto-shot, pet on passive) and complaining about how we wouldn't get the bear mount. When I confronted him about it, he told me to **** off and let him play the game the way he wants, pulled the trash pack onto us, and left.


Also, I'm not arguing that the majority of people are ***holes with little to no social skills, but they and I both agree on something. Why should we carry you in a group where you can potentially win an item you've done nothing to deserve?

[Sukurachi]

Carnacki,
I'd suggest you reread the initial post.

No one is talking about a "ZA run".

This was just a fricken' (barely) 3-minute long Coren Direbrew daily.

No one was "carrying" anyone. Honestly, no need to repeat the same behaviour as those people in that group I mentioned.

[Carnacki]

I suggest you re-read my post. All you're doing is asking for sympathy without providing any facts.

[Sukurachi]

Whatever.
Remind me to never group with you for a 3-minute long holiday event that's aimed at people who are NOT end-game geared.
There are no facts to provide. You are exactly the type of player about whom I was writing in my original post.
I'm out of here. Don't bother responding.

[Comett]

... there are no facts to provide.

What do you want to know? Her dps? What she said? How does that matter? The fact is certain people in the group were rude aholes. No excuse for it, even if some of us slip occasionally, there's a very firm line between grump and abuse.

Even if she WAS doing 4k dps (which is pretty minimally low for level 85, as you have said so yourself; I doubt she was doing that "badly" if any reason but because this is a hunter forum and hunters who reside here tend to have a clue), that is no reason at all for another player to outright abuse someone about their damage output a) ever, or b) for a boss that you can solo or two-man with pretty trashy skill.

Abuse is abuse, and it is not called for, regardless the situation.

Having said that, I feel that the hunter in your example was an entirely different situation, as not only was the hunter's output poor, but they complained about it, refused to accept their fault in the matter, and then tried to wipe the group afterwards. Bad player does not mean bad person, but bad person usually means bad player (in confrontations at least). If the OP had wiped the Coren group and was blaming the rest of the pug for poor performance when she had been the "fail", I would agree with you, but as it stands, she obviously did nothing wrong but rock up to a 1 minute pug group, do her job and then leave.

I would remind you that kindness goes a lot further than rudeness... a kind word here or there will be remembered or even acted on... all rudeness does is anger or upset the one it was directed at. Not too productive. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

[Sarantha]

How much dps were you doing? Your thread doesn't give much information yet demands sympathy. By all means though, attention feels good, you made a post that will generate a lot of it, so please carry on.

If someone in my group/raid is under-preforming, I'll let them know. I did a ZA run on my lock last week, I was pulling 19k dps, the hunter was pulling 4k (strict auto-shot, pet on passive) and complaining about how we wouldn't get the bear mount. When I confronted him about it, he told me to **** off and let him play the game the way he wants, pulled the trash pack onto us, and left.


Also, I'm not arguing that the majority of people are ***holes with little to no social skills, but they and I both agree on something. Why should we carry you in a group where you can potentially win an item you've done nothing to deserve?

I don't raid anymore cuz of people like that. BOTH types. The people who intentionally perform terribly and the people who bitch them out without trying to help or asking why they are doing shit dps. It may be due to lag, a bad computer, or a personal issue. I used to know a lock who, in full tier gear, couldn't pull anywhere near to my shaman in greens dps, because he had an advanced form of MS and couldn't play well. No one at all gave him a hard time after finding out what the issue was. He even got in to big time raids and no one said a word because the guild knew his condition. If someone is performing badly, perhaps they have a reason? I had urgent RL aggro and went completely afk after zoning in to Coren, we completed it, and no one even noticed I was afk. Its a damn loot pinata boss. No matter how awful someone's dps is or isn't, no one should be giving anyone a hard time about it. My afk situation was a life-or-death situation with one of my dogs, so it WAS very important for me to go afk. My dogs > any game.

[Comett]

^ Well said.

You know what they say about assumptions. ;(

[Zuilu]

How much dps were you doing? Your thread doesn't give much information yet demands sympathy. By all means though, attention feels good, you made a post that will generate a lot of it, so please carry

That was quite uncalled for. Regardless of how much dps she was doing, the point of the thread was how rude some people can be about it. I pride myself on being able to preform well in heroics, but I'm not about to bitch at someone for not doing enough dps when they're trying. The only way someone is going to get a talking to is if they're doing it on purpose. Otherwise helpful suggestions are always done first.

And you don't know if she's just 'looking for attention', she was likely just upset and wanted to vent. Assumptions are bad, mkay.

[Carnacki]

She? Unless I'm mistaken.

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Internet White-Knight syndrome at its finest.

Anyways. The same thing can be said for the throngs of poorly geared baddies who drift into heroics. They can be just as rude as the "elitists." Your spec sucks, your dps sucks, get out of my heroic so it won't take an additional 4 hours for you to click-to-move for VP.

[Lisaara]

How much dps were you doing? Your thread doesn't give much information yet demands sympathy. By all means though, attention feels good, you made a post that will generate a lot of it, so please carry

That was quite uncalled for. Regardless of how much dps she was doing, the point of the thread was how rude some people can be about it. I pride myself on being able to preform well in heroics, but I'm not about to bitch at someone for not doing enough dps when they're trying. The only way someone is going to get a talking to is if they're doing it on purpose. Otherwise helpful suggestions are always done first.

And you don't know if she's just 'looking for attention', she was likely just upset and wanted to vent. Assumptions are bad, mkay.

Agreed 100%. I'm fairly certain theres no way you can really 'carry' someone in a lvl 85 one weak holiday boss event. Even a bad dpser can get through the boss.

Regardless, there's no reason to be rude to someone out of the blue.

[Comett]

Way to take everything on this thread out of context, heh.

[Nili]

She? Unless I'm mistaken.

Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
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Gender: married male

Internet White-Knight syndrome at its finest.

Anyways. The same thing can be said for the throngs of poorly geared baddies who drift into heroics. They can be just as rude as the "elitists." Your spec sucks, your dps sucks, get out of my heroic so it won't take an additional 4 hours for you to click-to-move for VP.

You sound like an asshole. Way to jump on someone.

This guy was on a PINATA boss, not in ZA/ZG. I take my 85 340 ilvl priest there and do like 7k dps, no one complains..because you know what...? ...yeah fuck it. A person like you doesn't even deserve to have an explanation...

gtfo with your assumptions and your higher than thou attitude.

[Sukurachi]

She? Unless I'm mistaken.

Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
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Gender: married male

Internet White-Knight syndrome at its finest.

Anyways. The same thing can be said for the throngs of poorly geared baddies who drift into heroics. They can be just as rude as the "elitists." Your spec sucks, your dps sucks, get out of my heroic so it won't take an additional 4 hours for you to click-to-move for VP.

learn
to
read.

If it takes you 4 hours to do Coren Direbrew, you really need to get better groups.
You also need to get that stick out.

No one here was EVER talking about "your" heroics.
No one here was ever talking about being carried through "YOUR" end-game raid/dungeon.

The ONLY thing I complained about was people exactly like you.
Rude and mean, all for a 3-minute holiday daily boss, that happens to be a breeze.

[Mychelle]

Carnacki, I think your the one who is entirely missing the point of this thread.

It was a Holiday boss that takes...not even three minutes to kill. A boss that can be killed over and over and over again at that all in the same day.

This wasnt some Raid boss that she was wasting 10 to 25 people's time on.

Honestly if your going to make a opinion, at least have it pertaining to the actual subject at hand before you go all elitist in it. If this silly little holiday boss still dies within 3 minutes, I for one really dont even care if they was loading into the instance naked and shooting arrows everywhere. If they were running a Heroic or even a Raid for that matter it *MIGHT* be different though. Might.

Ive seen people in Heroic raid gear still stand in the fire, because they expect healers to heal them through it just so they can keep their numbers up, enough said.

[Carnacki]

learn
to
read.

If it takes you 4 hours to do Coren Direbrew, you really need to get better groups.
You also need to get that stick out.

No one here was EVER talking about "your" heroics.
No one here was ever talking about being carried through "YOUR" end-game raid/dungeon.

The ONLY thing I complained about was people exactly like you.
Rude and mean, all for a 3-minute holiday daily boss, that happens to be a breeze.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy

[Moderator]

Lay off, Carnacki - your contributions are not helping the thread and you knew damn well they wouldn't when you posted.

I'm going to lock this down now, but I did want to say that Shade and Sukurachi did a great job working out a miscommunication.