Is it too late for them?

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Re: Is it too late for them?

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Kalliope wrote: The buzz of having 25 stable slots has worn off and some people are back to being unhappy. :P

It's not enough that we can tame up to 25 pets.
It's not enough that we have all sorts of new skins available. Hellboars, parrots, seagulls, brainbugs, Silithid wasps, Winna's kitten....
It's not enough that we got new families. Foxes were immediately desired by the playerbase and were almost just as quickly made tameable.
It's not enough that we're not locked into having One Pet.
None of it is Good Enough. Never mind that Blizzard needs to leave some options open for future expansions, since They Didn't Listen...after all, we didn't get everything.
People are entitled to have this opinion, but I personally don't find it very productive. :)
This is very true. People will always want what they can't have. If stags had been tameable from vanilla people would now be like "they're boring, they only have three colours, they don't have big fangs and look tough". Personally I think the devs are doing a great job of developing hunters and finding a good niche for using a variety of pets, and trying to allow or encourage people to use more of their pets and not just "the one raid pet to rule them all". There weren't many new pets in this particular patch, but I'm pretty confident there are more to come.

Oh, and whoever was claiming that all the good crab skins were untameable... you're a day late :)
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Re: Is it too late for them?

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I agree with both sides.

I'm uber happy about what we've gotten thus far, but yes, I do have some disappointments as well.

As far as new families go, I was expecting more of them. I'd love it if they set Parrots and Beetles as their own families, just those two changes alone would probably satisfy my thoughts on if we got enough families or not.

I have to say, I was 100% convinced we'd end up with the python snake types in the Serpent tree. I really am surprised we didn't. And Stags, well, yeah I also really thought they'd be in for a good shot.

I didn't things like Zhevra or Hydras stood a chance

I was shocked to see we'd gotten Seagulls, they would have been so far down my list of expected finds... too bad they looks like a simple critter model though

Overall, woot, we gots lots of new awesome stuff, families or skins otherwise. But at the same time, yeah, I think there could been a better job done.

Even so, who knows what will change between now and launch? And whats to stop them from adding new skins or families from existing model in future patches?
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Beetles ARE their own family, Kayb. Enjoy! ;)

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Re: Is it too late for them?

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There was a time not too long ago when hunters had to be super picky with the selection of their pets. It didn't matter that there were 100s of wonderful and unique skins to choose from because every single hunter was ultimately limited to a very small number of stable space to house extra pets with.

Remember when some beasts had different attack speeds making all others appear rather lackluster in comparison?
And when wolves seemed to be the only pet that would ever have a viable buff for raiding?
And when hunters had to leave a stable space unoccupied just so they could acquire temporary "trash pets" to learn higher ranking abilities for their permanent pets?
Maybe some of you will recall a time when you may have ran out of ammo during a long grindfest or instance run?
Or your leveling days as a wee baby hunter, just starting out in your adventures across Azeroth. Remember how long and lonely it would seem for those first 10 levels; until your trainers could deem you worthy enough to have a companion by your side?

I say, we should be thankful for all the love Blizzard has shown the Hunter class since its vanilla origins. We've come a long, looong way baby!

Am I bummed out that I'll probably never get to tame a hippogryph, a gryphon, or a wyvern (something I've always wanted and asked for in the Blizzard forums)? You betcha! But I'll never stop wishing, never stop asking, and never stop hoping that some day, maybe, it could happen.
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Re: Is it too late for them?

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i will say on the eu forums if you read it a lot of people asked for foxes. I dont know why because there is a clash of people not liking wolfs but lots wanted foxes and people are unhappy. Im sorry but people who said i want a fox pet what did you think you would get? just another dull dog model tbh. But you cant say blizzard dident listen because they did.
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Re: Is it too late for them?

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I'm a mix of Kayb and Niabi - I'm very grateful for what we've gotten so far - I know we've come a LONG way since vanilla WoW (I've been playing this for five and a half years!). So I don't want to make it sound like I'm not happy with the changes we've gotten and the improvements that have been made. I guess I just kept thinking back to that forum that asked hunters what we'd want to be tameable, and there were a lot of people asking for the same stuff. I don't honestly expect things like stags or zhevras to ever become tameable, but I thought hydras and thunder lizards had a pretty good chance. I didn't really give a hoot about dogs or foxes or monkeys (though I do kinda like my monkey in beta right now :lol:), so for me personally, there's just not a whole lot as far as new pets are concerned. I might grab a beetle, and probably a monkey now, but I think that's about it. If I get a parrot, it'll just be because I like the color.

To be honest, if they make Duskfang tameable, I'll be happy. :) I think I have a pretty good chance of getting that. It's just a cat, right? Right?! :|

And if I don't get my thunder lizards this time around, well, I'll just keep asking and keep hoping. I mean, I never in a million years thought I'd be able to tame a devilsaur, but, here they are! :D

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Re: Is it too late for them?

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Kalliope wrote:
Worba wrote:
Palladiamorsdeus wrote:It isn't a matter of Blizzard answering ALL of our requests. And actually for that matter, I don't see why it would be bad for them to at LEAST do some of them.

Silithid beetles? Eh, I could see that.
And silithid wasps.

And helboars.

And with beetles not only did they make them tamable, after initially lumping them into cunning they listened once again and moved them into tenacity.

Soriid and haarka became tamable once more.

Lots of stuff.

I remember not too long ago these same boards were buzzing with Blizzard <3. :|
The buzz of having 25 stable slots has worn off and some people are back to being unhappy. :P

It's not enough that we can tame up to 25 pets.
It's not enough that we have all sorts of new skins available. Hellboars, parrots, seagulls, brainbugs, Silithid wasps, Winna's kitten....
It's not enough that we got new families. Foxes were immediately desired by the playerbase and were almost just as quickly made tameable.
It's not enough that we're not locked into having One Pet.

None of it is Good Enough. Never mind that Blizzard needs to leave some options open for future expansions, since They Didn't Listen...after all, we didn't get everything.

People are entitled to have this opinion, but I personally don't find it very productive. :)
There's nothing wrong with being slightly disappointed. All the people here have stated over and over that they are mostly thrilled with overall hunter changes, but this was about pets and those being tameable.

Yes, 25 slots is great. I think it's rather nice. No, it doesn't make me backflip for joy when the fact is there's only like...8 pets I'll tame? rofl I mean it's nice but it's not going to make me ignore the fact that Blizzard basically asked us what kind of pets we'd like to see tameable AND kinda dangled it in front of us at Blizzcon only to find none of those families actually made it in.

Do I love the fact we got new families? Yes.
But they don't make me ignore the fact that basically the foxes look like Alpha-WoW model wolves and the monkeyes are just over-blown minipet models stretched to proportions that look way off. After seeing a Grovestalker Lynx in TBC and models like Loque'nahak in Wrath and then the crabs of Vash'jir in Cataclysm, I did sort of expect a higher quality of "new pet models" from Blizzard. So yeah, tad disappointed on that.

New skins is great. I love new skins.

Locked into one pet? Yeah it's nice Blizzard did this, but I file this under "positives of the hunter class overall [which I said I find Hunter overall looking great in cataclysm]" because the topic is mostly about taming new skins/new families.

So it's not really kind to just assume everyone is acting like spoiled children and saying 'NO ITS NOT ENOUGH". The users aren't saying 'it's not enough', they're saying 'it's just a tad disappointing that the ideas they wanted us to give, and seemed like they were going to give us went out the window'. I'm still being quite productive. I'm playing their product. I'm testing their beta; I've written more feedback and bug reports then I can shake a stick at.

So while being a tad disappointed in *one* part of the game, I am still happy and productive in it overall.

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Re: Is it too late for them?

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I ended my exploration for today on a good note. I got my lovely girl back! Too bad it's not on live. I miss this SB soooo much! :( No this really has nothing to do with the original topic, but I didn't want to start yet another thread under my name and bury all the actual helpful information. ;)

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Re: Is it too late for them?

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Kalliope wrote:
Worba wrote:
Palladiamorsdeus wrote:It isn't a matter of Blizzard answering ALL of our requests. And actually for that matter, I don't see why it would be bad for them to at LEAST do some of them.

Silithid beetles? Eh, I could see that.
And silithid wasps.

And helboars.

And with beetles not only did they make them tamable, after initially lumping them into cunning they listened once again and moved them into tenacity.

Soriid and haarka became tamable once more.

Lots of stuff.

I remember not too long ago these same boards were buzzing with Blizzard <3. :|
The buzz of having 25 stable slots has worn off and some people are back to being unhappy. :P

It's not enough that we can tame up to 25 pets.
It's not enough that we have all sorts of new skins available. Hellboars, parrots, seagulls, brainbugs, Silithid wasps, Winna's kitten....
It's not enough that we got new families. Foxes were immediately desired by the playerbase and were almost just as quickly made tameable.
It's not enough that we're not locked into having One Pet.

None of it is Good Enough. Never mind that Blizzard needs to leave some options open for future expansions, since They Didn't Listen...after all, we didn't get everything.

People are entitled to have this opinion, but I personally don't find it very productive. :)
That was an amazing way to blow what I said completely out of proportion, and toss in a bunch of things I didn't even mention. I said I was disappointed because certain new pet families weren't made tameable. I have no idea where you came up with most of that. I COVERED pet skins. I personally am not really all that impressed with just new pet skins. You named ONE family that was desired. There were NUMEROUS pet families, pre-existing ones, that were asked for. We have not yet seen any of them made tameable. And I sort of have to chuckle about you thinking we won't be locked into one pet, when we haven't even had any experience in a real raid yet. We don't KNOW if we will be or not.

Twenty five pet stables is nice, but it doesn't do a ton for everyone. I'm with Rika on this, I'm not going to fill it up. So for me personally it's nice, but it's not the be all end all.

What is the matter with being disappointed? Again, not everyone is going to be all gung-ho about everything. You disagree, that's great. Doesn't mean that everyone is going to share your opinion, and it doesn't make the people who disagree wrong.

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Re: Is it too late for them?

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My counter-grumpings aren't directed at the people who AREN'T acting like spoiled children, but at the people who really ARE saying that it's not enough and who have been saying that from the beginning. Those who aren't jumping off the handle know who they are.

Sure, you're entitled to be disappointed if you are. Not everyone can be made happy by larger stables or certain skins being made available, since not everyone has the same taste. My post was just poking a bit of fun at the glass-half-empty mentality. By all means, keep letting Blizzard know that you're disappointed and that you think they should do more.

My gut says that until Cata actually ships, it's too early to assume that everything that's going to be added is already implemented. Look how late the pet pass came, even though it was planned out months ago. It ain't over til it's over. :D

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