Lynx Rush vs Murder of Crows

[Gelannerai]

As the title suggests, I'm wondering if MoC will become preferable to LR for a Beast Mastery Hunter since LR is seemingly getting a major change. Anyone here done any experimentation with it on the PTR?

[Nachtwulf]

I admit, I tend toward Blink Strike, myself, just because it has such a short cooldown. Murder would be more appealing if it were more than a boss finisher.

[Dewclaw]

I'm hopelessly addicted to blink strike myself.

[Lisaara]

Blink Strike, atleast on live, does less DPS than Murder or Lynx really.

[Kurasu]

This, however, is for the PTR. And on the PTR, not only has Lynx Rush had its attack changed from a burst into a stacking bleed, it has had its damage reduced by 50%. I strongly suspect that compared to Murder Of Crows and, potentially, Blink Strike, it has become a lot less interesting as a selection. It no longer has the burst capability that Murder Of Crows does, for certain.

[Lisaara]

Bleed effects tend to do heavy DPS though, least when it comes to druid bleeds and warrior bleeds. I'd imagine Lynx rush would be no different. It may be a DoT but I'd imagine the DoT would do much that a simple "Tag you're it!" type of attack. However, we'll have to test this out to know for sure. I'm just speculating. I could be completely wrong! :3

[Dewclaw]

Blink Strike, atleast on live, does less DPS than Murder or Lynx really.

For me, that's not important. I like it too much to use anything else.

[Lisaara]

Blink Strike, atleast on live, does less DPS than Murder or Lynx really.

For me, that's not important. I like it too much to use anything else.

For those of us that do progression raiding like myself, such information is important so it's good to keep in mind. :3

[Nachtwulf]

You know, I find it kind of ironic that they went through and removed all bleed-booster effects (hyenas' old ability, fr'ex)...

then give us a major bleed ability....

[Kalliope]

You know, I find it kind of ironic that they went through and removed all bleed-booster effects (hyenas' old ability, fr'ex)...

then give us a major bleed ability....

Other classes still have bleeds (warriors, rogues). It's not like bleeds were removed when the debuff was.

[Ziarre]

Most classes that bring a bleed bring their own innate buff to it...but those bleeds are also baseline to the spec. Since this is a talent and not a baseline part of the spec like those bleeds, I think they'll simply tweak the talent to do appropriate damage rather than slap a bleed-booster on that may or may not affect us.

[Kalliope]

Most classes that bring a bleed bring their own innate buff to it...but those bleeds are also baseline to the spec. Since this is a talent and not a baseline part of the spec like those bleeds, I think they'll simply tweak the talent to do appropriate damage rather than slap a bleed-booster on that may or may not affect us.

Agreed, this is a logical train of thought. Hopefully Blizzard's way ahead of us on it with their internal builds.

[Ziarre]

And a recent blue post seems to suggest that if we really want up-front damage like Lynx Rush has on live, that we take Blink Strike.

"How about after all of these nerfs we get some buffs to sustained Damage? Or is it going to take 4 more years until hunters are viable in arena?

I don't know about you, but right now I think that hunters are quite viable in arena >.> Also, I believe that hunters were doing quite well last season in compositions such as PHD and Junglecleave… also, while people did not like the team composition, triple DPS also did quite well in which hunters were involved.

On to the sustained damage over burst though. The change to Lynx rush will lower burst and also increase the sustained damage of hunters as it will be apply DoT effect rather than a direct damage attack. So you can take Blink Strike for Direct damage and Lynx Rush for sustained, depending on your play style. This as well as the ability to move while casting certain shots helps with increasing sustained damage. Remember that the patch notes are not final, more is still to come as I have already said."

[Lisaara]

They'd have to buff Blink Strike I think for it to have the same effect as Lynx Rush did.

[Ziarre]

See the last sentence in the quote.

[Lisaara]

Ah I know. It's just speculation while playing the waiting game. :3

[Angerfang]

MOC easily... especially if you are SV or MM (sv is #1 spec in raids atm)

[Ziarre]

Got a source for that?

[SpiritBinder]

Blink Strike, atleast on live, does less DPS than Murder or Lynx really.

For me, that's not important. I like it too much to use anything else.

For those of us that do progression raiding like myself, such information is important so it's good to keep in mind. :3

Well the utility that Lynx rush used to bring for raiding is now moot. It was High damaging Burst that was free to use and on a Medium cooldown.

It is now not longer burst, but now a Medium damaging DOT on a Medium Cooldown.

MOC is a 30 second DOT, and even though it costs 60 Focus and a Long cooldown is stronger than LR. (and this was before the 54% nerf)

Blink is a Short cooldown, free Medium damaging Burst.

If you want to talk "Progression Raiding" and the likes, MOC is a higher single target DPS yielding choice (and always was) compared to the new LR, and both of them DOTs. Blink Strike is now better burst, because it's essentially the only burst option left. We have just lost our Free, High Burst damage option and utility.

Don't get me wrong, I too choose LR over MOC, but because I liked it's utility. I could save LR for my last orb on Elegon and knew I had nothing to worry about. It wont be so helpful to get an Undying shadow down fast when it's chasing your healer, etc. It was also free so if it was off cooldown and you needed it there was no worry about having to pool focus 1st. It will still have it's place on a few fights (though far and few between). It will still be helpful on Spiritbinder's adds as the bleed will still tick when you go back out of the spirit world. But a MOC on the boss b4 you go in will do better dps.

Yes I liked it (even if it was a simmed DPS loss), but come next patch, all the reasons why, will actually be gone.

It will not better than it's counter parts, and has less utility.

[SpiritBinder]

Got a source for that?

SV seems to be scaling a little better than BM atm, so as out gear is getting better, so is SV. BM is still BM and pet reliant and they can be glitchy at times and the class plays like "whack'a'mole" with coolodowns.
(though I use it atm and enjoy the pet options and utility)

SV will always be safer for switching targets, air phases and the likes, and has far superior AOE. It make take a little more time but as it stands, it's looking like SV will be pushing in front in most areas.

**Edit**

Oh and as for a source, SV is highest in the logs and mainly on fights that have the need for AOE, eg. FENG HM due to the adds on then shield phase. I really hate linking WOL, but here's ya source.

NM ~ All ranked hunters are SV and 1st hunter ranked 5th, but the next one is at 22

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/pla ... d/10N/dps/

HM ~1st hunter is SV and shows up at 36 <.<

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/pla ... d/10H/dps/