BM dps issue

[erictks1]

Since WOD ppl's is keep complaining BM have low dps. A few suggestion I hope blizzard can make
1) Give us a truely BM pet which have a better dps in actual
2) Give us a legendary pet to make up he differences

[Lisaara]

As this isn't the first time you've suggested either of these....I again have to say no to both. They're never going to go back to raising pet DPS. All pets are the same and will always be the same. If they start making one pet or one class of pet be better than the rest, hunters will be forced to take that pet/pet class over others, and that's not what anyone wants.

A better suggestion would be to buff something involving the hunter such as Kill Command.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Honestly SV could use more help than BM right now. BM is at least shining really well in AoE fights and Gold CMs (from what I'm reading) where as SV is stuck feeling like a gimped spec, especially now that we've lost Kill Shot (not sure why Blizz thought it was a good idea to remove our execute and not really replace it with *anything*).

And yes, pets aren't going to be an area where they'd up BM's dps (not to mention BM pets already technically do more damage than a non-BM pet, not sure about their auto-attacks but for sure via Kill Command). So if BM does need a dps tuning, it wouldn't be through their pets, it would be via an ability or spell or just an overall damage percent increase. Unfortunately Blizzard's recent nerf to MM affects (effects? I never remember how to use those two words) BM's damage a little bit.

But at least 2 of the 3 specs are highly useful. BM shines in AoE and CMs and MM does extremely well for ST. So why is SV just kind of left to sit there and feel gimped? Don't get me wrong, I like playing SV still, but it feels really weird not to have some sort of execute or a damage compensation for losing it. SV is just kind of there. I'm hoping it's a spec that will improve with more gear or find some sort of way to make itself shine.

[Lisaara]

Yeah. The nerf to Kill Shot was....bad, imho. It hurt BM quite a bit but SV is just sorta there.

[Ana]

In MC last night 1-5 place in the dps fight where hunters. MM 3 of them 2 of them bm

[Danielfboone]

The Kill Shot nerf didn't hurt as much as I'd feared it would. BM could use some buffing but not through the pets. My pets already consistently do more damage than I do. It's especially the case if you use a pet that has the mastery buff.

My opinion is that if the intention was to nerf MM, it should have been Chimaera that got hit. That shot hits very hard now and since it's magic damage, it ignores armor.

[Tankperson]

This is where I miss reforging, taking all that versiality and turning into Mastery would solve a lot of the dps issue as the mastery boosts our pets dps so that would help our over all numbers. I find myself swapping out ammo between aoe and single target fights. But I do agree I ran straight Suv from Wrath to WoD and I'm BM not that I don't enjoy it I just miss the Suv.

Personally I would rather see a boost pets growl aggro generation.

[Boven]

The nerf to Kill Shot this week is disappointing, but other than that, BM is holding its own for DPS, especially when aoe is involved. Last week my 10'ish-man raid group did a 'fun run' in Highmaul just to check it out. I'm definitely not the best hunter there is, but I ended up #3 in dps, not terribly far behind the MM hunter.

[TygerDarkstorm]

And poor survival is left in the dust. That's really the spec that should be discussed for "fixing" as BM and MM are playing pretty decently right now.

[Lisaara]

Yeah BM could use a teensy buff but it's not bad off at all by any means. SV, unfortunately, seems to be doing poorly.

[Boven]

I don't know what Blizz has been thinking then it comes to SV. It kept getting hit with nerf after nerf in beta for no apparent reason. I've always been BM or SV, but this expansion I really need to get off my butt and get the hang of MM for my offspec.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Same Boven. And that makes me sad because I've tried MM before and I just don't get/like it. I know SV is considered one of the easiest specs to play but I don't understand why it has to keep getting punished.

On the bright side, at least 2 out of 3 of our specs are competitive. Mages got screwed in that none of their specs were even competing on the meters. Locks have been in a weird spot too, though I know they'll get better as more gear comes out.

[Krysteena]

*smashes the dead horse on the head* stay down, you foul beast! Or I'll be forced to purge you with garlic!

Another possible suggestion could be to just fix hunters on a whole? Surely that'd be easier than adding a legendary pet, which is completely unfair to the other specs. It's like saying survival hunters get a pet snake, as they deal with poisons and whatnot. It's not going to happen. Just fixing the hunters will be enough.

[Tahlian]

I managed to figure out why Kill Shot likely got removed from Survival's repertoire. Kill Shot heals the hunter for a certain amount of damage when it actually kills it target. Survival has an ability/trait called Survivalist that does almost the same thing, with the healing. I can totally understand them not wanting SV to get a double heal. But that doesn't excuse the fact that they didn't give Survival any kind of finisher at all, really.

Understanding the "why" is kind of good...but it doesn't change the fact that Survival needs some help at the moment. Though I will note that I have seen some survival hunters reporting good results by stacking Multistrike...but then again, those hunters could just be blowing smoke, too, so take that for what you will.

[TygerDarkstorm]

I plan to give SV a serious shot once I have the time to put real effort into a hunter just to see if it can't actually pull some good numbers. And yes, understanding why they took it away does help (Though feral druids have a double heal and it's OP as fuck; ferocious bite heals and they can get free instant proc healing touch casts). SV definitely needs something to help in the execute phase, even if it's not getting kill shot back (explosive shot does more damage under 25% health or something?).

[peanutbuttercup]

I wouldn't say SV is completely in the gutter. Actually I've found BM to be worse (for me) for raiding right now, except maybe on Tectus where range might be an issue. My group has 2-3 hunters and everyone's currently SV. So I do find it weird that they nerfed Kill Shot slightly when BM seems to need a boost rather than a nerf.

[Rhyela]

Unfortunately Blizzard's recent nerf to MM affects (effects? I never remember how to use those two words) BM's damage a little bit.

Just thought I'd help out here, hehe: "affect" is a verb; "effect" is a noun. "Special effects" instead of "special affects", or "this affects that" instead of "this effects that". There are some exceptions, but aren't widely used and are relatively rare.

[Castile]

Personally I would rather see a boost pets growl aggro generation.

^This!! Since i've swapped from BM to MM my pet barely holds aggro anymore. It gets abit annoying to have to feign death every 5 secs...

[Tankperson]

Personally I would rather see a boost pets growl aggro generation.

^This!! Since i've swapped from BM to MM my pet barely holds aggro anymore. It gets abit annoying to have to feign death every 5 secs...

Or constantly having to MD to your pet becuase you hit an arcane shot and pull 200% aggro.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Unfortunately Blizzard's recent nerf to MM affects (effects? I never remember how to use those two words) BM's damage a little bit.

Just thought I'd help out here, hehe: "affect" is a verb; "effect" is a noun. "Special effects" instead of "special affects", or "this affects that" instead of "this effects that". There are some exceptions, but aren't widely used and are relatively rare.

Thank you! Usually I can pick the right one in my head but my brain derped. xD