Need advice

[Vespias]

OK, so here's the story. My guild has been running ICC almost 4 nights a week for the last 3 months. None of us have ever been through it so each boss was a learning experience which means tons of wipes and extremely huge repair bills. Added to this, the cost of re-geming and re-enchanting each new piece of gear. So we finally get to the LK fight and as usual it's a learning thing. During the long weekend for Thanksgiving Day while I was away they figured the strategy and continually got into the 3rd phase of the fight. So when I get on line on Monday they tell me how close we are to dropping him. The next night I came home exhaused from work and fell asleep so I didn't get on. Wendsday when I log on there's a huge "Grats on dropping the LK!" in guild messages. YES! They ran it without me knowing how close they were. They said I could maybe go with the 2nd group if they had room or wait till a 3rd group formed so I could get the achievement. Like I tried to explain, the achievement meant alot to me but not nearly what the feeling and celebration would have meant after all this time and work getting there. I may get the achievement but I feel I was cheated out of the celebration and am thinking of leaving the guild. I know had i been in charge I would never have run unless the whole team was there and ready. So, am I being a whiney douche or am I valid in being so pissed? What would you all do?

[Lisaara]

I'd say you were valid on being really pissed. You worked hard to get there. Infact...its a similar reason to why I left my guild on alliance side and joined a different one.

[Vespias]

Yeah, I feel I earned that spot but like I said, I feel more cheated out of being able to celebrate with the people I busted my ass with all those nights.

[lilatha]

MY WORDS AIN'T MENT IN A BAD TASTE BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLES ADVICE DON'T ASK IT!

Honestly, a whiny douche. Yeah it would of been great to go along with them but can you expect them to wait on 1 guy when 9 or 24 other people are on time waiting to go? Ofcourse not! Its unfair on those people. Your Guildies will still GZ you and feel that rush no matter when you get it, like my hunter only got it recently when my mains all have LoD and I was still like AMG YEYS! along with the other guildies who had it you shouldn't feel like leaving a guild just because you missed a raid : /
REAL LIFE > WOW anyday imo.
But you have to understand from a Guild masters .. a officers even raid leaders PoV. You can't sit and wait for 1 person when the others are ready, yeah it seems totally unfair when you did most of the work but honestly get use to it. Ive played WoW from day one and I have put up and stood by guildies when this has happened to me I was happy they went without me and were able to down the bosses its progress for all of your guildies. I was never selfish I didn't want to leave I just made sure I was on time when I could be and hope to be a part of it. And with the new Guild achivements ... What you going to do then ... say you on your own got all teh factions for the Guild mount just to see all your Guildies get it before you? Going to just leave then?
Get over it stick with your Guild You seem like a very important part of it to help them get as far as they did loosing you might be a huge set back with them, only leave a Guild for a really good reason.
Examples, sexiests, lack of contorl, lack of following rules, ninjaing, disrespect for one another, lack of progress (if your hardcores B:)
Don't leave because you have your life in order, Work > WoW ... image you didn't sleep that day and messed up at work and lost your job?

Call be a hater or slag me off, you asked what others thought so there you go.

[Vespias]

Def asked for feedback Lil. I understand that point of waiting, since I was also a Guild Leader. But at least take a vote on it? Was just a 10 man group and they know I'm on pretty much every night. And had it been one of the other bosses in there, no problem...but this was the big enchillada. Oh well, I still need imput from both sides so thanks. You did make a good point about the guild system.

[Lisaara]

Yeah, I feel I earned that spot but like I said, I feel more cheated out of being able to celebrate with the people I busted my ass with all those nights.

You busted your ass so as a former raid leader, I would've waited on you...like given you atleast a day. If you couldn't come back after that, then I'd have to go without then to be fair to everyone else.

[lilatha]

Yeah but the fact you were there when the other bosses went down, I feel they couldn't do it without you there. Your most likely one of thier 'A-Team' every Guild has them those people you always want in your group cas tehy knwo what to do in a raid. If you leave your Guild they will loose a important memeber to them. It may seem unfair at first but they will still GZ you still cheer you on, Killing the LK isn't a big deal to many anymore but it doesn't mean they stopped getting that girly squeeel moment when a Guildie or a friend has downed him for the first time.
You shouldn't beat yourself down just for missing one raid. It's only a game and hes not going anywhere anytime soon Just be sure you keep your real life at the top! WoW has a place in that list, for me it's near the bottom. But don't bear yaself up over it! You'll get him to and people will be super hyper about it to then

[Cerah]

Hey, my guild's so small that I have to rely on PuGs for raiding. I've never seen past the Abominations in ICC, never mind reached it to the Lich King, and probably won't unless somebody still wants to do this "outdated" raid past Cata.

So enjoy what you have done, what you have accomplished with your friends and guildies. Just because you weren't there for the initial LK death doesn't mean you won't have a chance at him again. Raiding's not the be all and end all of WoW -- it's a game, so we're supposed to be having fun.

[Cozzene]

I'd be pretty pissed. It's a guild/group effort, and to just replace someone after they did their job as much as anyone else, that's really crappy on their part. I watched a guild do this to my boyfriend's brother; he worked harder than any of them and he was routinely walked all over. It isn't right. Ever.

[Gimlion]

One way My old guild (Server transfered, so I have an alt on that server, with slight use) tried to avoid this was by using a sign-up method. If you signed up, you got to go, That way if you couldn't sign up, or didn't sign up quick enough, it was your own fault for missing the boss/loot/achievement/etc... We also had several groups that ran just about all of the content, so sometimes, back when we had a strong set of numbers, we had around 4 10-man groups, or 2 25-mans... So it wasn't like anyone didn't have a chance b/c of the guild.

[Sei]

I can understand why you would be upset, I mean you put in the time and effort to help the group advance. I think quitting the guild is a little extreme though, especially if this is the first problem you've ever had with them doing something like this. Trust me, the grass is always greener on the other side, and no guild is perfect.

They were all probably so excited about going that they got stupid and made the wrong decisions.

I'd recommend talking to some of the guildies that went, and telling them how you felt about what happen. I'd suggest that you try to let it go, but I do understand why you got so angry. My guild isn't perfect either and we have our moments where people aren't getting along cause one person did this, and the other said that. It's like a family, sometimes you're just at each others throats.

Try not to let it bug you so much, you know that was a messed up thing to do -- and I'm sure they know it to.

[Cialbi]

So, am I being a whiney douche or am I valid in being so pissed?

Both.

I think it all boils down to a lack of communication. They weren't clear that you missing that one night would probably mean you missing the achieve, and you probably weren't clear on how much this meant to you.

Also, are you really ready to burn all those bridges by leaving the guild? Some can be repaired over time individually, but your relationship with your guildmates won't be the same, and probably not for the better. I imagine that you are overwhelmed with emotion to a degree over having missed out on this achievement with your guildmates. You probably feel left out. But, will splitting with them really help? I try not to ask as a rhetorical question, since I don't know the situation anywhere nearly as well as you do.