Blizzard learns nothing at all from Dalaran

[Moore]

Anyone else notice the completely piss poor re-design of Orgrimmar? It's pretty much the same as Dalaran where you cram as many people as possible into a 40x40 box. Look at the flight tower where is it? Smack dab in the center. The main AH is right in the center as well. Garrosh Hellscream major quest giver in Cata, right in the center. As if there wasn't a problem with 20,000 people afking and spamming trade chat before. Holy jeeze.

/end rant

My internet is still as suck as ever and I can't even log in to talk to Garrosh to go to Twilight Highlands so I won't be able to play till 3 or 4 in the am when no one else is on so I'm mad.

[Acherontia]

If your main issue is not being able to log in in the first place, it's understandable--your server is probably quite busy (mine's relatively quiet, I will say) or something's up with your comp. I can see where needing to get to Garrosh would be really irritating if you do have lag issues, as the place everyone CHOOSES to hang out is all around him : /

However, I don't think Org is badly designed at all. If you do manage to get into it (lol lag : / ) have a look around the rest of the city! In both the Valley of Spirits and in the Valley of Honor, as well as the old Strength, there are now an Inn/Bank/AH in close proximity. So there's places to set your hearthstone, check auctions & visit banks in any part of the city you like!

[Gumballs]

Then set your hearth to a different part of Orgrimmar. They made banks, AH's and inns in each district to avoid the problem of everyone being crammed into one space. My warrior's and hunter's hearth is the Valley of Spirits, and most of my other character's other hearths are either the Valley of Strength or the Goblin Slums.

You say the 'main AH', but to me that doesn't make sense. Every AH is linked. Even though many people are using that one, it doesn't stop you from using one of the other AH's in Orgrimmar or even another city (though I don't know if the other cities have ports to the new zones, I havn't used them lol).

And also it's good that the flight master is right in the middle, as opposed to sitting right in the Valley of Strength, since it's about equal distance from all districts of Orgrimmar. I also have no accepted a single quest from Garrosh on any of my characters, not that I recall anyways. Maybe I spoke to him once on my goblin and once on my warrior, but really he is *not* the main quest giver.

I apologize if I came across as rude or anything in this post because it's not my intention! I understand the frusterations of having shitty internet (mine is terrible actually haha) but there are plenty of ways to get around the 9 jillion people standing afk in the Valley of Strength. Many people don't know that there are now multiple inns/AH's/banks in Org, but it really is a fantastic addition to the city.

[Moore]

The main quest chain to go to Twilight Highlands is through Garrosh which I can't get too. Main AH being it's the main one since its been in the same place it's always been since launch. I DO use the bank in the back I do have my hearth set in the back however I cannot even enter the front of Org without disconnecting.

From a laggers point of view the flight master being in the middle is a terrible idea. You have to load everyones character at the flight master and everyones characters below even on minimal settings which causes huge lag to us laggers. And it's the same terrible thing if you're in garrosh's room, you gotta load the 50k people outside and everyone else at the flight master and everyone using the zeppelin. -.-

[Comett]

It would be interesting if they had a "hide other players" option that disregarded players outside your party and didn't load them or whatever. xD That's probably too epic to code in though. Lol.

[Kalliope]

I'm not a fan of the Org lag myself, but avoid most of it by hearthing to the tauren area. ^_^

[Lisaara]

It would be interesting if they had a "hide other players" option that disregarded players outside your party and didn't load them or whatever. xD That's probably too epic to code in though. Lol.

That and the point of an MMO is to play with other people. ^^;

[Setanta]

This is why my horde toons generally are hearthstoned in Silvermoon City.

[Lisaara]

I'm usually in the troll area anyway.

[Feath3r]

I've got a buddy who can't get into Org either. He doesn't disconnect but nothing loads at all for him because there are so many people to load his internet can't handle it. He doesn't bother going there for anything and considering once he hits 80 or for holiday events... He tried to get into Org for the winter veil thing and it took him ten minutes just to get the quest giver to load... and then there were dragons :/

[Comett]

Taluwen... I was talking about lag removal issues. e_e Not like it's a great idea that should be implemented. Just a general comment. Wow.

[fatman]

Trying to get into RFC from Ogrimmar is a pain. I haven't tried using the PUG yet but I think getting into RFC using PUG shouldn't be a problem.

[Moore]

Lol these quests are ridiculous you have to do the Garrosh and Sauranok the Mystic quests to get your portal to twilight highlands open. -.- dumb

[Saturo]

I'm sorry, but the truth is that it even says right on the box "Requires broadband connection". Blizz don't officially support playing on dialup. You should be glad to be playing the game at all, really. Sorry, but that's just how it is. With such an incredible majority, Blizz can't really make sure that dialup users can play properly, since gamers using dialup is more like one in a million. I'm just saying, Blizz shouldn't have to tailor specifically for people using a connection most stopped using years ago. Sorry, but that's just how it is.

Have you checked if there's a company that sells 3G modems? You could buy a SIM-card from a company with "unlimited internet", I mean, like, fast service up to 3 gigabytes, and then they limit your speed to 120kbps or something. That's how it is in Sweden, and I've played that way. Even if I didn't find it satisfactory, I'm certain it's way better than dialup.

[Moore]

I'm sorry, but the truth is that it even says right on the box "Requires broadband connection". Blizz don't officially support playing on dialup. You should be glad to be playing the game at all, really. Sorry, but that's just how it is. With such an incredible majority, Blizz can't really make sure that dialup users can play properly, since gamers using dialup is more like one in a million. I'm just saying, Blizz shouldn't have to tailor specifically for people using a connection most stopped using years ago. Sorry, but that's just how it is.

Have you checked if there's a company that sells 3G modems? You could buy a SIM-card from a company with "unlimited internet", I mean, like, fast service up to 3 gigabytes, and then they limit your speed to 120kbps or something. That's how it is in Sweden, and I've played that way. Even if I didn't find it satisfactory, I'm certain it's way better than dialup.

You must not understand just how many people play on dial up. A few months ago there was something blizzard did to affect the playability for dial up users, in short when they did they we got a thread on the forums with over 28 pages in a few minutes and it forced blizz to remove that stupid uploading survey that crashed us.

Blizzard has a long history of making their games playable for _everyone_. And yes I'm going to have to check into the SIM card thing, but in all honesty I'm not sure I can afford it.

The main problem is there is no cost-effective way for people in rural areas of the US to get highspeed internet.

Anywho I'm talking it over with my friend and we're going to build some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna

[Adam-Savage]

I DO use the bank in the back I do have my hearth set in the back however I cannot even enter the front of Org without disconnecting.

How slow of a connection do you have that this causes you to dc ? If your connection cant even handle this then how do you raid or do dungeons ?? Even on my laptop when I lower alot of my settings down I can get 15 fps in the trade district in SW and It only has a Ati Radeon 4200 with shared memory.

[Moore]

I DO use the bank in the back I do have my hearth set in the back however I cannot even enter the front of Org without disconnecting.

How slow of a connection do you have that this causes you to dc ? If your connection cant even handle this then how do you raid or do dungeons ?? Even on my laptop when I lower alot of my settings down I can get 15 fps in the trade district in SW and It only has a Ati Radeon 4200 with shared memory.

28.8kbps or if I'm lucky 31.2kbps

[mcflagin]

I'm just glad we have two auction houses!

[Novikova]

If my time in DSL support for an ISP is any indication, there is a surprisingly large are of the US that ... just doesn't get broadband. And for no particular reason either, given some of the lines we had were in really awkward locations. Also, compared to a lot of countries our internet offerings are very, very poor for the price.

[Moore]

I know like I've said before, if the government would get me the equipment I could hook it up myself >:\