Dungeon Etiquette

[Moore]

Well tonight I decided to run some randoms on my baby priest healer. Anywho I queue up get the good ol message "This instance is already started" or whatever and I click Accept to join. I get in on the boss before the big tree guy in Wailing Caverns. We down him no problem, then on to the last boss. Now here's my group thing it was all people from different servers except two guys guilded and in the group. One's a hunter and one's a mage. So we're at the technically 2nd to last boss in WC and the mage is no where to be found, he's running around insanely because he fell off the ledge and doesn't know how to get back up. So we go start anyways we get the boss 3/4 dead the mage finally returns and starts dpsing him. Staff drops, I'm thinking alright nice I could use this it's better than my <Thistlewood Staff> which has no stats. So I need and I see the first two rolls

Me rolls a 73.
Other guy rolls a 40.

I think to myself "sweet new staff". Wrong.

I then notice

Other guy's hunter friend rolls 75.

Hunter friend then proceeds to give loot to the mage.

I say excuse me what are you doing? Another guy in the group goes "Oh this is common practice no sense in getting upset about it"

Tank tells me "Damn that's greedy of them"

So I was just kind of like Sorry I have a problem with the whole uh "ethics" of this. It's not fair and I'm not going to stay in an instance where one guy gets two rolls on all the same gear I do where I only get one :\ so I leave, letting them sit and stew in the dungeon finder.

Now maybe I'm just an "old" WoW player but back in the day you never did this kind of thing, and even when I was running with a friend you still didn't do that because it's not fair to everyone else.

[Aleu]

Eh, this isn't anything new to me. It's basically a way to be sure your friend gets the loot. I've seen this happen more often when they're trying to get it for offspec and someone with the main spec who needs it, looses it. >> Happened recently to one of my guildies who was tanking and needed on some tanking shoulders, only to loose it because three of the people in that group were friends they needed on it for their DK friends offspec.

This is one the reasons I rarely, if ever, run pug groups anymore. If I want something from an instance, I ask some guildmates to either run it with me, or possibly run me if it's a lower level instance. Usually have no issues with it.

[Felidire]

That is pretty rude, considering the mage was running around like an idiot. Although admittedly, I used to need on resto/boomkin leather drops for my ex when we did some instances during WOTLK, leveling druids on RAF, i was feral tank she was heals.

So while I can't really speak out against that hunter.. Yeah, it's still a rude thing to do... and while that happening pre-cata isn't really all that bad, unfortunately that behaviour continues well into the level 80 instances where you need the upgrades to boost your item level. It doesn't bother me too much for below 80s, but after that I just don't tolerate it anymore.

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I would have vote kicked the hunter and if it didn't work then I would have went afk to make a drink, and then possibly mow the lawn. Next best thing you can do is put them on Ignore so that you don't get grouped with them in the future. x3

If you did this thing "back in the day," the server would have screenshotted and posted that you were a ninja in the realm forums - and if you kept up with that behaviour - you'd have to change server because name change option didn't exist and you would have too bad a rep to ever get a group again.

[Sonata]

I believe this practice started when the LFG tool came to live or maybe it was there before not sure but I never saw it back when you'd actually have to ask people to go with you to a dungeon. Ah the "good ol' tradechat spam" for dungeons. The LFG tool keeps them safe from being called out to be ninjas in tradechat...not like anybody cares.

I have seen it happen and I hate it. I have friends who would do it for me also, but I only do this if a guy who tries to steal my mainspec gear without asking even if I need it. Kinda makes you sad that there is a tip that you see in the loading screen "A little kindness can go a long way" or something along the lines but nobody cares about it.

And in the beginning dungeons you see needing a lot.
A lot new players/players pretending to be new to the game that need on everything. Many people snap at this, I've seen rogues, hunters, warriors...let's just say every class does it. If they are new tell them the basic stats they need to look out for don't STFU/KICK.
*Derails*

Remember kids always ask before needing if it's for offspec or mainspec! The group will appreaciate it and if they leave and don't roll...it's free game in my book.

[Alpinolo]

Well I think Blizz never should have brought in the soul bound items being able to be traded. I have been in too many runs where you get a full guild group who all roll need when they can just so they can give item to one of their guildies.

Nothing to do with the LFD tool, it's the fact that soul bound items can be traded providing your in same instance etc etc. If they remove that, as really there is no need for it. Peeps should just be a bit more careful when picking up BOP items.

[Lisaara]

Wow...thats just rude. I'd be pissed too. This is why on my druid, I run with guildies only but my guild is fair. They wont roll for me. I'd never ask them too.

On my huntress, however, I do random a lot. It's happened so many times in lowbie dungeons, it's not funny.

SM Library- My priest friend rolled need on the robes(his main spec is Holy). Resto druid did as well. In my eyes, thats still ninja'ing considering druids use leather and priests use cloth. Not too severe but still pissed off my friend.
SM Library- My priest friend rolled need on the staff. Warrior needed too and won then proceeded to flaunt it off.
SM Cathedral - My priest friend rolled need on the healer mace from the last boss....so did an enhancement shaman and the shaman won. The tank called her out on it too, saying thats a heals mace. Shaman just replies "Well I'm gonna collect Resto gear".
BRD - Had a pally(ret) rolling need on EVERYTHING even though he didnt need it at all. He just went 'sorry guys need money'. I went 'Thats what GREED is for and I wanted that polearm you just ninja'd from me, douchebag.'
RFC - Had a shaman needing on every single STRENGTH item dropping. I called him out on it. He said "I'm enhance" and I go "Enhancement uses agility, not strength" and others backed me up. He still kept needing on all the tanky/pally/warrior stuff.

It's becoming incredibly common and it's grating on my last good nerves.

[Felidire]

Well I think Blizz never should have brought in the soul bound items being able to be traded. I have been in too many runs where you get a full guild group who all roll need when they can just so they can give item to one of their guildies.

Yeah, actually I forgot all about that.. But that's what started it all. Only thing you can really do about it is bring a friend who will need stuff for you if it's about to get stolen, and keep an eye on guildies from other servers. >>;

SM Library- My priest friend rolled need on the robes(his main spec is Holy). Resto druid did as well. In my eyes, thats still ninja'ing considering druids use leather and priests use cloth. Not too severe but still pissed off my friend.

That's not TOO bad... at least he's going to use it and I tend to let healers off the hook more than tank/dps... Still, bloody annoying though..

At least it wasn't a pally needing it, that'd be even more annoying! =P

[Lisaara]

Feli - Yeah it wasnt TOO bad but still enough that it made me unnerved because I play a druid and my rules for myself are "If a clothie can use it, it goes to them first. My boomkin set can wait". It'd be more ticked if it was a lvl 50 dungeon cause thats when you get specialization and using cloth on a druid becomes pretty much crap/useless.

[Felidire]

I don't really notice a lot of difference when using cloth on healie druids, I don't plan on doing instances on my current lv.30 druid anyway but she's wearing a fair bit of cloth (because I bought cloth and mail heirloom chest & shoulders, so using all leather up until 80 isn't going to yield any differences -- I even force my rogue to wear the cloth heirlooms!)

Same deal with my tank, actually.. Would you laugh if I told you that he was tanking in mail heirloom shoulders/chest, and a nice resto shaman kilt dropped - which was better than his trashy level 72 green plate legs - so for a brief time he was tanking instances in a dress. X3; (I had an all leather/clothy group there so I didn't steal the mail legs from anybody.)

Depends on the situation I guess..

[Gimlion]

TBH I disagree that the ability to trade BoP gear shouldn't be allowed among others in that lockout. In raids it becomes increasingly useful, as with most high-end raiding loot systems, there will be mistakes no doubt, and being able to trade items that would normally take a visit with a GM to get sorted out is a valuable resource. Granted it could probably use a bit of a nerfing in randoms, but the concept behind the idea is not what I would consider dumb or pointless.

[cowmuflage]

I find it better then when people don't listern to the leader >.> Still sucks but yeah.

[Karathyriel]

Well, people, let's face it...
Since they don't have to fear your wrath as they come from another server anyway, why would they be nice and fair.

If there ever has been a gamer community that sucks, it's the WoW community.
But that comes with the games success!

If there is 5% idiots and 12 million subscribers, you end up dealing with 600.000 idiots.

I know, you sometimes need to vent but in the end, there is nothing you can do about it.
You did the right thing: Leave the group and get on with the game.

[Ryai]

SM Library- My priest friend rolled need on the robes(his main spec is Holy). Resto druid did as well. In my eyes, thats still ninja'ing considering druids use leather and priests use cloth. Not too severe but still pissed off my friend.

Just one comment: Leveling a druid and paladin as resto and holy has let me learn one thing. Outside of possibly quest gear and some changed quests, there is VERY LITTLE in the way of caster leather -and- plate/mail. Hell it wasn't until northrend that my druid and paladin finally started getting the items they need to be rolling on.

Now if he was resto and rolling on a DPS item and other DPS needed it, that's ninjaing.

Also btw, you said he was resto, not a boomkin. So him being able to heal more would be as beneficial as your friend being able to dps more.

When you've had DK and DPS wars needing rings with block on it, or a retridin stealing a HEALING/Caster trinket, or healers stealing dps/phsy dps items or dps stealing healer items... then yeah that's ninjaing.


Unfortunately which, it is happening ALOT in Cata dungeons. I just experienced it for all but 1 of my runs. :/

I even lost a DPS cloak to a tank- I don't care if he was a feral druid, the cloak would have helped me dps more than helped him tank >_<

[Lisaara]

SM Library- My priest friend rolled need on the robes(his main spec is Holy). Resto druid did as well. In my eyes, thats still ninja'ing considering druids use leather and priests use cloth. Not too severe but still pissed off my friend.

Just one comment: Leveling a druid and paladin as resto and holy has let me learn one thing. Outside of possibly quest gear and some changed quests, there is VERY LITTLE in the way of caster leather -and- plate/mail. Hell it wasn't until northrend that my druid and paladin finally started getting the items they need to be rolling on.

Now if he was resto and rolling on a DPS item and other DPS needed it, that's ninjaing.

Also btw, you said he was resto, not a boomkin. So him being able to heal more would be as beneficial as your friend being able to dps more.

When you've had DK and DPS wars needing rings with block on it, or a retridin stealing a HEALING/Caster trinket, or healers stealing dps/phsy dps items or dps stealing healer items... then yeah that's ninjaing.


Unfortunately which, it is happening ALOT in Cata dungeons. I just experienced it for all but 1 of my runs. :/

I even lost a DPS cloak to a tank- I don't care if he was a feral druid, the cloak would have helped me dps more than helped him tank >_<

My friend, the priest, if you read the parenthesis, is Holy as his main spec.

I've lost dps stuff to tanks before....and it ticks me off to no end. ><;

[Ryai]

My friend, the priest, if you read the parenthesis, is Holy as his main spec.

So this begs the question;

Was the Resto Druid queued as healer or dps?
Was your friend queued as healer or dps?

If Resto druid was healing and your friend was dps- then it doesn't matter if his main specc was holy/healer, the druid had just as much right to roll on it to help boost his healing, as your friend would have had.

If your friend was healing and the druid was dpsing, he should have let the healer set slip by and or waited to see if your friend was going to roll for it first and act accordingly [skipping if it was needed, needing if it was greeded].

[Lisaara]

My friend was DPSing cause he was at work, but still, thats why I said it wasnt SO bad. I would've been a little more lenient had the druid not been a total asshat the entire instance and my friend didnt have to actually do most of the healing cause the druid didnt do a damn thing the entire instance.

[Koumaru]

I even lost a DPS cloak to a tank- I don't care if he was a feral druid, the cloak would have helped me dps more than helped him tank >_<

I can't agree with you on this point, unfortunately. Feral bears prefer agility dps gear in every slot other than perhaps their trinkets. The STR on the typical "tank" accessories is crap for them.

You were no more ninja'd than if another dpser with the same primary stat and armor type beat you on a roll. An AGI dps cloak is also the ideal cloak for a bear tank.

[Lisaara]

I even lost a DPS cloak to a tank- I don't care if he was a feral druid, the cloak would have helped me dps more than helped him tank >_<

I can't agree with you on this point, unfortunately. Feral bears prefer agility dps gear in every slot other than perhaps their trinkets. The STR on the typical "tank" accessories is crap for them.

You were no more ninja'd than if another dpser with the same primary stat and armor type beat you on a roll. An AGI dps cloak is also the ideal cloak for a bear tank.

As a druid, Bears need and use strength MORE than agility. Thats how they get their oomph. Agility doesn't give them very much. Agility is best suited and always has been for a Cat. If bears want agility, they can get it through enchants and gems if its that big of a deal. Otherwise, leave Agility for the specs/classes that need it MOST.

Trust me, top raiding guilds on my server would never take a bear with agility gear. Never. They get mocked often in Trade and General chat too if someone finds one.

[Koumaru]

As a druid, Bears need and use strength MORE than agility. Thats how they get their oomph. Agility doesn't give them very much.

This quote is entirely false. In every way possible. Strength gives bears all of 2 AP per point. That's it. Agility gives them 2 AP, 0.004105380% dodge, and 0.003078344% crit. Agility dps items typically give greater avoidance through the agility alone than any amount of dodge rating found on a same-level tank piece, and the haste rating can be forged to dodge rating.

Go take a look at the best-in-slot bear tank item lists at ElitistJerks or another discussion site. Note all of the (completely nonexistent) strength gear on the list.

Trust me, top raiding guilds on my server would never take a bear with agility gear. Never. They get mocked often in Trade and General chat too if someone finds one.

I really have no way to respond to this post but with a blank stare of disbelief. So all of the top guilds on your server are clueless about bears?

Sorry, I'm trying to be polite, but no, I won't trust you or any of the "top guilds" on your server. You see, in addition to my hunter I also play a bear druid, and have since patch 1.8 back in vanilla. At some point you've been horribly misinformed about bear tanks.

[Ryai]

You were no more ninja'd than if another dpser with the same primary stat and armor type beat you on a roll. An AGI dps cloak is also the ideal cloak for a bear tank.

But, it's a DPS cloak, not a tank cloak. If he had rolled on it if he was DPS, I'd not have cared, but he was tanking, not DPSing, So great, not only will I have to roll against Feral cats, but Feral bears, ench shaman, rogues, PALADINS, WARRIORS and DEATHKNIGHTS.

Yes, I've lost agility items to melee [non rogue/druid] classes when strength items dropped on the very next god damn boss aurg >.<

edit: and not just ench shaman, but resto and ele too cause of dual specc... >.< wtf did MS before OS go.