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Bad is a play style

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First off I didnt write this. I saw this rant and I wanted to get your guys opinion on it

Quoted from: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/837 ... le-of-play
I play this game. I pay the same $15 that everyone else does. I don't see why I should be expected to play the game in a way that the developers and community have arbitrarily deemed to be "good."

I'd like to bring to the community's attention several mechanics that prevent me from enjoying Cataclysm.

1. I don't like the idea that there is a spell rotation

I play a warlock. I, and many other warlocks, have been wanting green fire since vanilla. Maybe since before the game came out, we wanted to be wizards who could throw green fireballs. Now, finally, we have Fel Flame, and it is green. So the way I want to play is to only use Fel Flame, and to shoot green fireballs like a machine gun until things catch on green fire and green burn to death, screaming. I think Fel Flame is lots of fun.

But Blizzard says I'm not supposed to shoot green machine gun fire; there is a "rotation," which is a special order I am supposed to push buttons in, or else I am "bad" and the group I am in will "fail." Why is this the right order to push the buttons? Nobody knows. I feel like I am playing "Simon."

Anyway, in the last expansion, there was a different order I was supposed to push the buttons in. In the last expansion, the bad affliction warlocks liked to cast Soul Fire. In this expansion, the bad affliction warlocks are the ones who don't like to cast Soul Fire. How am I supposed to keep up with this? I heard about this site for jerks I am supposed to go to, but I am not going to do that. I am pretty sure it is a keylogger.

2. Grinding is not fun

Also, maybe I don't want to gem and enchant my gear. Grinding for those things isn't worth the incremental upgrades to me, and I don't want to spend time grinding for those expensive ornaments. This game is supposed to be fun, and I don't see why I should have to do anything in it that I don't enjoy in order to be deemed "good" or successful.

Anyway, why should my character look like a cheap dandy, bedecked in jeweled bling-bling and body-glitter? Don't gems and enchantments exist for the purpose of giving players choices? Why not support the choice for players to abstain from gems and enchantments?

And if I am not going to gem, I am certainly not going to grind rep or do daily quests. I mean, seriously, what's with making me wear special reputation tabards? I have my own tabard with a pink rabbit on it, and I want to wear that. I am not going to wear Therazane's tabard because she is unattractive, and I don't believe in the things she stands for.

And don't even get me started on flasks. Has anyone ever enjoyed pointlessly grinding herbs? Blizzard should remove herbalism and alchemy from the game and just increase everyone's base stats by 300.

3. People should not be punished for playing with me because I do not conform to arbitrary standards of "good play."

As soon as I zone into a heroic, people do an inspect on me, see my empty gem sockets, and immediately try to vote-kick me. But they can't because there's a cooldown on vote-kick. So they call me names and curse at me to try to get me to leave the party (what is the deal with this game's community?)

When I don't leave, they pull trash monsters. I try to target the ones the rest of the party isn't paying attention to, so all of them die at the same time and we can finish the dungeon faster. But they just yell at me again for casting nothing but Fel Flame.

Sometimes they'll ask me to use Fear on one of the enemies. When I tell them I do not use fear as a weapon because I am not a terrorist, they get angry at me. I think some of the people who play this game are not very patriotic.

Also, Mages seem to think it's funny to cast that spell that makes one of the monsters look like a penguin or a monkey. It was maybe cute once, but I am sick of it. That spell heals the thing they cast it on to full health. Why do group leaders tolerate this, but not the things I do? It is probably because they are all in the same guild and are rude to people they get from the dungeon-finder. But I say, if mages want to play with cute critters, they should buy companion pets.

The point is, I am willing to put the same time into running the dungeons as anyone else, and I pay the same subscription fee, so I should get the same rewards. But the game punishes me for not wanting to push buttons in an arbitrary, designated order, and, further, because I play this way, the game punishes other people for playing with me.

As a result, I am very lonely.

Maybe the game should automatically analyze the way I am playing, and stack a buff on the group that allows us to clear heroic dungeons no matter what buttons I press. They could call the buff "Independent Thinking" or "Creative Use of the Game Space."

4. PvP needs a more level playing field

Since I have not been enjoying dungeons very much, some people suggested I should try PvP. So I found a guy in Trade Chat who was willing to play with me, and we went into the arena.

People say it's easy to earn the weekly conquest cap, because you only have to win five games. Win five games? You might as well ask me to climb a mountain! As soon as I zone into an arena match, the people on the other team kill me. How is that fair?

Apparently, before I can get my "easy" five wins, I have to get special "pvp" gear in "battlegrounds," which will make me "resilient." Why should that be? Who says I'm not resilient enough already? If I wasn't resilient, how could I have made it to level 85? I died repeatedly to all the quests, which were grossly over-tuned, but then I found out I could get experience by doing archaeology in low level zones. If that's not resilience and innovative problem-solving, I don't know what is!

Anyway, the battlegrounds are like another rep grind, except, apparently I don't have to actually be at the keyboard to do the grinding. What is the point of this? Instead of making me get this special gear, the game should compensate for the fact that I don't have "resilience" by giving me more health or making me do more damage.

Also, why do very high rated arena players get more conquest points than everyone else? They're already killing everyone! Why do they need to have better gear than the rest of us on top of that? If you ask me, you should get conquest points for losing games, and your cap should increase as the ratings get lower. That way, it's like a built-in handicap to players who exploit overpowered mechanics, and a buff to players who play the game in the way that they enjoy.

Thanks.

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Good troll - 7.5/10.
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That's one serious noob. And troll.
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I would suggest that this person try RP within the game if he/she weren't already having a hard time discerning between their character's identity and their own identity. For example, my druid is a nutjob who wantonly murders critters every chance he gets. Does this mean that I kill critters IRL just because they're there? Of course not. My dwarven hunter will occasionally drink so much virtual booze that he vomits. Does this mean that I'm an acoholic or binge drinker IRL? Heck, I don't drink alcohol IRL, period.

That said, I don't think this person is playing the right game when they object to 'using fear as a weapon'. Oh boy, he/she should have seen some of the sadistic, demonic quests that warlocks had to do up til 4.0.3a or so. My belf warlock was instructed to go kill two selfless men just because they were pure of heart, tear the hearts out of said men, and offer them as bait for a succubus in a demonic ritual just so that I can subjugate and enslave the demon for use towards my own twisted ends. Heck, this person probably wouldn't be able to make it out of the Death Knight starting area.
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Very few trolls actually have the power to make me actually laugh out loud. This one did.

I give it 10/10, for being well-written and generally amusing AND for catching SO many first-line-readers! =D

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Definately a Troll, it's far to well executed and phrased and the spelling and grammar is pretty much first rate so it's not an especially young player or a moron we're dealing with here. However I suspect whatever forum this was posted on was rather full of rage comments in response. Personally I agree with Tudyk (Also, at least 10 awesome points if that's a reference to Alan Tudyk...and even more if that's your actual name) Well executed trolling is rare, this made me chuckle :p

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Not my actual name. Was a huge Firefly fan and needed a name for my first Horde char shortly after watching "Serenity" for the first time. =D


On topic: More work by the author of the OP (who was apparently a well-known troll on the General Forums some time ago):
http://biggerthankologarn.blogspot.com/

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I can't really just dismiss the OP as a Troll, since they have written over 1000 posts in this forum. Anyone who came here for the sole purpose of bitching would only have a couple posts.

Anyway, my recommendation is that if you're not enjoying playing with other players, why not just play solo on your warlock? Do quests, do dailies for non-"useless" rewards (like the AT ones for mounts and small pets), sign up for random battlegrounds without caring about gear, just expect to die a few times. You're right in that there's no one "correct" way to play, but in group situations as a courtesy to other people (and remember there are other people on the other side of their computers), don't be irriatating for the sake of being irritating. Learn to compromise. If you like fel flame there's nothing wrong with that, but dungeon situations often call for you to be more versitile -- when it does, do so. If you don't want to do that, don't do PuG dungeons. It's as simple as that.

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Good troll is good, but I feel the same way. However, I don't expect to go into heroics or arenas without the proper gear. So, I just do what I want to do and heck with the rest.

10/10 on the troll. Gonna have to read the blog someday.

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Cerah wrote:I can't really just dismiss the OP as a Troll, since they have written over 1000 posts in this forum. Anyone who came here for the sole purpose of bitching would only have a couple posts.

Anyway, my recommendation is that if you're not enjoying playing with other players, why not just play solo on your warlock? Do quests, do dailies for non-"useless" rewards (like the AT ones for mounts and small pets), sign up for random battlegrounds without caring about gear, just expect to die a few times. You're right in that there's no one "correct" way to play, but in group situations as a courtesy to other people (and remember there are other people on the other side of their computers), don't be irriatating for the sake of being irritating. Learn to compromise. If you like fel flame there's nothing wrong with that, but dungeon situations often call for you to be more versitile -- when it does, do so. If you don't want to do that, don't do PuG dungeons. It's as simple as that.
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Cerah wrote:I can't really just dismiss the OP as a Troll, since they have written over 1000 posts in this forum. Anyone who came here for the sole purpose of bitching would only have a couple posts.
Redith is not the one who originally posted this. He is posting it here to get our opinion on something he saw elsewhere.

Honestly, I think some of the points he makes, particularly about playstyle choice and the harsh community is spot on. It was not until the comment about Polymorph did I know he was either a. clueless about any other class/dungeon mechanics, or b. a very, very, VERY 'good' troll. As I read on, it became apparent that option 'b' was more and more clear. But at least he used punctuation correctly, spelled pretty much everything correctly, did not use 'dude/leetspeak', and did bring about SOME valid points.

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This guy is obviously a comedian, not a troll, if his blog is anything to go by. Reminds me of Alamo, and how some people actually took him seriously. Heck, the sarcasm on this peice was so subtle that I clearly missed it on my first read.

He's also a big fan of Rhonin as well, apparently :P

I think you can read into his work a bit as well. The Rhonin piece is kinda ridiculously silly, but it's not too much different than what our superhero characters are regularly doing. And as for this, I think it's a mockery of both how rigid and unforgiving the WoW community can be, as well as of whiners who should seriously look into playing another game. Oh, and how damned annoying it is to get started in PvP at max level, given the fact that you need lots of resilience to PvP effectively, and need to PvP a lot to get lots of resilience. Throw on top of that the fact that players will recognize PvP gear when they see it, and opt to smush the person without PvP gear first :roll:
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This guy is an epic, hilarious troll.
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Saw this on MMO, and already gave it 10/10. :P Quite enjoyed reading it. Here's the original (It'd be good if you credited the original properly, Redith): http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/837 ... le-of-play

Also, I was not aware he had a blog. o.O
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Oh these silly trolls, trying to sound smart like they know wtf they're talking about.....XD

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I am totally with the original poster of this in wanting to cast the Green Fireballs though! I had a shaman once who I made so she could cast Lightning!! Not this fireball lava crap! I want lightning! So i just cast Lightning bolts and people got mad. I was like WTFNOOB if I wanted to cast fire I would play a mage! L2B better at life!
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Edit: Please note, my comments are meant to be taken in conjunction with the trolling. I was laughing the entire time I was reading his post, and this would be my response if it were serious. Apparently, that was lost on some people replying to me after I originally posted. So this is my disclaimer: It is a trolling reply to a trolling post!!!

I'd like to make the following comments about this rant.

1) If he wants to play a game that requires nothing but green fire bolts that he spams over and over again, he should look for a different game. Blizzard put in the mechanics to add to the game, and it also helps players separate the good from the bad. If that is harsh, I'm sorry, but you need to know how to play your class. Just because something looks pretty does not mean it is the only ability you should use, or, if you disagree with the way a spell appears, perhaps you should find a different game to play that the Devs will tailor especially for you.

2) Gemming and enchanting is, again, a way to make your character better. Regardless of whether or not a character has enchants, they should at least have some "crap gems" in their slots if they are trying to raid or do heroics in my opinion. Even then, though, there is room for debate. I certainly wasn't going to buy the new expansion gems (green or otherwise) for my lvl 308ish gear, because I knew it would soon be shortly replaced. That does not mean I run around without gems now, but there is a time and a place for being prepared, and heroics/raiding fall into both categories.

3) If he's going to rant about alchemy and herbalism, why not rant about leatherworking and skinning, or blacksmithing and mining. "Why yes, Blizzard, please put a random leg enhancement on my item and take out large portions of the in-game economy because I am going to whine and complain about the fact that I have to pay for buffs that I cannot create on my own. Oh, and while you're at it, can you start crafting extra gem slots on my bracers and then find a random gem enchantment for me, since I don't want to pay for the gem or enchanting myself??" Please. This guy is ridiculous.

4) Maybe someone should inform him that the in-game mechanics are somewhat expected for people to know when they enter a dungeon. Heaven forbid he read his tooltips. He may not know that the "cute little animal" thing is called polymorph, because he doesn't play a mage, but that's not an excuse for having issues using his own class spells because he, quote, "is not a terrorist." I'm sorry, if you play a warlock, and you run around with demons, you should probably look at what other moral issues you have before continuing and going on a rant over a pixilated fear.

5) As for PVP, just like gear for dungeons, you have to grind a bit to get gear... maybe someone should sit him down and explain this to him. He can't expect to go in and be #1 when he clearly has limited skills he can use, due to his moral issues. People that use their abilities and have skills doing so are going to be more successful than someone that casts a spell only because it is pretty. In regards to the high end gear, maybe Blizz should change that a bit and make it somewhat more accessible to people. Then again, I believe it is good to separate the good from the bad.

Should someone suggest EQ to him? Or maybe a nice simple game like Putt Putt? Oh wait.. it's a purple car... I wonder if that goes against his issues....

I vote he try a holy paladin- at least that way the worst he might have to deal with is Hammer of Justice... or Consecration.. I don't know, that AOE holy damage does not reflect well on him... he might be a terrorist.

To sum up, I agree with the rest of you. He's a noob and a troll, and should reroll at least his class if not his game.


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Tudyk wrote:Not my actual name. Was a huge Firefly fan and needed a name for my first Horde char shortly after watching "Serenity" for the first time. =D

Awesome! My husband and I have already decided that if we have a daughter someday we are naming her Kaylee. I love Firefly!
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I think people are missing the "hidden" irony within the OP.
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erwil wrote:I think people are missing the "hidden" irony within the OP.
It seems folks are.

Great find.

But, he does have point; however, he contradicts it (hence, why it's a troll and not sincere). If fun for him was indeed flinging green fire balls and casting whatever spell at your target with care of consequences, I say go for it. I would also hope for him that he finds either finds a group of like minded people or enjoys playing solo, as those would eventually be his choices.

I'm all about personal choice as long as it doesn't impact another's pursuit of happiness.
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Cathyliz7 wrote: To sum up, I agree with the rest of you. He's a noob and a troll, and should reroll at least his class if not his game.
He's not a noob. He's a joker. :P And trolled you quite successfully, seeing as you got so worked up over that.
That guy writes things that are supposed to be funny. Satire, if you will. You, and some others, took it way too seriously.

Relax, friends :)

I think that "rant" was funny as hell. I heard people complaining like that over and over on EVERY game I've played. They were ALSO usually the holier-that-thou rp bi... people. He summed them up perfectly.
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