which pets will you ask to be restored?

[Ryai]

I decided to Delurk for this and post. I am just confused, Why is everyone claiming basically GM's will not restore pets you willingly abandoned, or furthermore, that if you abandoned them willingly, that you have no right to ask a Game Mod to restore them/a GM won't restore them?

A while back, when I was finishing up some things on Yasindra, I was sorely, sorely missing my baby Landowar, who I had originally temp abandond for a second skoll, who was then abandond for a Black War Hound because I had to go MM for a time thanks to Ahune and a couple dungeons due to lack of good AoE in most runs.

So I ticketed a GM, and Landowar was returned to me after about 15 minutes.

Now the irony is that an hour or so after this, I ran into Loque again, and abandond Sunscale for him as I just can't turn down Loque, I love the cat, even if I had run into him before asking for Lando back, it would not have been my 'Alliance English Moonfire' cat.

When the patch rolls round- and btw Saturo it is tomorrow/13th for EU servers, not next week, and if I can not find refind Sunscale I will most likely ask a GM to restore him to me, and people you honestly don't have a right to go 'lol no you can go retame the skin'

That's the problem. We aren't wanting the skin restored, atleast not myself, we want the pet we were forced to abandon, restored. And by the way, if I had to camp for Sunscale again, it could take if I remember right, 36-48 hours. Or, a week or more depending on how lucky/unlucky I am.

Yeah.

And given the fact people have been questing in Silithus again to get their CC rep up... well not all people leave the rare tameable beasts alone if you get my drift.

My advice is, if you have only one pet you want restored, go for it. If you have multiples, wait a fair bit, and then ask for a GM and talk things out to see how many pets they can/will restore to you, as while you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth that is no reason to break its back with a flood of requests for returned pets.

[Jesswyn]

This post scared me, for a second i assumed for some reason come patch 4.0.1 all out pets get wiped and we have to get a gm to fix it.

Phew, glad thats not the case, i'd freak out of my slime and hydra went poof D:

[Acherontia]

Ryai--

Some GMs will restore pets, and some will not (claiming they can't, on occassion). I think the main issue people had with the original posting wasn't that someone wanted a pet restored, it was rather thinking that the blithe belief that asking their time to restore a whole bunch of pets at once was a bit unthoughtful.

I'm all for ticketing a single pet once, maybe twice, because you can't get it again or seriously made a mistake in abandoning it--but (and I'm not attacking the OP here, just explaining, as I know he said he's rethought things!!) the idea of ticketing a ton at once put a lot of people off, on behalf of the GMs

The only pet I'd ever consider trying to get restored would be the Oil-Stained Wolf, but I didn't particularly love it in the end, and anyway, it very likely wouldn't have the aura upon restoration. Maybe Garwal, but he wouldn't be a worgen anymore

[Ryai]

I'm all for ticketing a single pet once, maybe twice, because you can't get it again or seriously made a mistake in abandoning it--but (and I'm not attacking the OP here, just explaining, as I know he said he's rethought things!!) the idea of ticketing a ton at once put a lot of people off, on behalf of the GMs :lol:

Oh no no I understand that and I understand the well meaning of keeping a GM/GMs happy, but it was just the overall feeling of outside that, that if you willingly abandoned a pet that you shouldn't ticket a GM to restore it. I also am in support of not flooding the GM's come patch 4.0.1, though ten to one I bet they have a policy for pets anyways, come the patch. As in, if you flood us with a long string of demands we shall ignore you. S'why I suggested discussing it with a GM first when you are able to get contact with one, about multiple pet restoring.

[Worba]

Ok

[Gumballs]

I'm all for ticketing a single pet once, maybe twice, because you can't get it again or seriously made a mistake in abandoning it--but (and I'm not attacking the OP here, just explaining, as I know he said he's rethought things!!) the idea of ticketing a ton at once put a lot of people off, on behalf of the GMs

Oh no no I understand that and I understand the well meaning of keeping a GM/GMs happy, but it was just the overall feeling of outside that, that if you willingly abandoned a pet that you shouldn't ticket a GM to restore it. I also am in support of not flooding the GM's come patch 4.0.1, though ten to one I bet they have a policy for pets anyways, come the patch. As in, if you flood us with a long string of demands we shall ignore you. S'why I suggested discussing it with a GM first when you are able to get contact with one, about multiple pet restoring.

Okay, I'll try to explain my views on this in a little more detail. Please remember that this isn't a personal attack on any members of this site. We are all great people here, and I have nothing against anyone.

Up to now we have only had 5 stable slots, right? So up until now, if you had 5 you needed to drop one because there wasn't any room. And if you regretted the pet you abandoned, you had to (once again) pick a pet, drop it, and either camp for the pet, retame or ask for it to be restored. I never said I was against people asking for pet restores, up to this point.

I am only saying I don't think people should start bugging for restores now that stables are bigger because I feel it's rather abusing the system of bigger stables + pet restores. Before you had to pick and choose, but now that there is room, just ask a GM for some restores and get a bunch of 'free' pets back instead of camping for them. Understand what I mean? I'm not that great at explaining things haha.

I guess you could just say that I feel it is cheating to ask for multiple restores now that there is free slots available, and that I think the GMs have bigger things to worry about by dealing with all the post-4.0 bugs (because you know there will be tons lol). Also, I agree with you Ryai; they will probably implement some sort of policy when it comes to pet restores (such as the limit on item restores they currently have).

My biggest fear overall is that Blizzard will view multiple pet restores the same way I personally view it post 4.0 - as exploiting the GM restore system + bigger stables. And I fear that if many people get multiple restores Blizz will get sick of it and begin to shut down pet restores for good.

That is the main reason why I don't think people should ask for multiple restores, because if they decide to not do them it could really hurt future hunters who have abandoned a pet accidently (as in, someone else did it, hacked, wrong button click etc.)

[Ryai]

That is the main reason why I don't think people should ask for multiple restores, because if they decide to not do them it could really hurt future hunters who have abandoned a pet accidently (as in, someone else did it, hacked, wrong button click etc.)

While your fear may be slightly justified, it will NEVER be like that if you have been hacked and your pets abandoned, because your pets being abandoned is the same as if your items have been deleted/sold for gold. When this happened when Aria was hacked, the GMs restored EVERYTHING in the guild bank and all of her affected toons. There is no reason to assume a GM would deny you pet restoration in such a case.

The closest thing you should really be worrying about is if they have pet restoring limits, IE like they do with items that don't mysteriously disappear thru glitches- like if you accidentally disenchant, sell or destroy the wrong item.

Before you had to pick and choose, but now that there is room, just ask a GM for some restores and get a bunch of 'free' pets back instead of camping for them. Understand what I mean? I'm not that great at explaining things haha.

It's not really a free pet- and yes I do get your drift, but you have to have done the camping anyways. I mean for a common or a low rarespawn pet, I would frown upon it. But for something a bit harder, like say Krush, Mosh or something in a high traffic zone that you barely got anyways with the skin of your teeth? I don't really see a reason against asking for it to be restored aslong as well, ya'know, don't flood the game mods.

I guess you could just say that I feel it is cheating to ask for multiple restores now that there is free slots available, and that I think the GMs have bigger things to worry about by dealing with all the post-4.0 bugs (because you know there will be tons lol).

Well it really isn't, it's just... avoiding the hastle of the griefers imo. But yeah even I can understand bugs come first, and it's why I am going to try and get Sunscale back the old fashioned way, but if that doesn't prove successful within a week- I will resort to asking a GM. As it was the only tenacity pet available that I want on my blood elf.. and tired of dps pet tanking >_>

[Itana]

To Gumballs: was just going to write a post, and you explained it all perfectly well. If we want to still have option of restoring pets in future (that were abandoned through some bug, for example, or a pure mistake on our part), we need to keep from asking to restore multiple pets now after the patch. Otherwise they'll stop doing that even if it's their fault that the pet got abandoned due to a bug.

[Ryai]

Otherwise they'll stop doing that even if it's their fault that the pet got abandoned due to a bug.

Replying again; No, they won't deny pet restoration if it is caused by an ingame glitch. Infact, not reporting it if something like that happens would lead to worse things tbh. Or of the old days where 'abandon pet, pull out a pet from stables, stabled pet is the same as abandoned pet'.

And as said before if one GM won't restore a glitched pet- you just have to keep asking.

[Itana]

It's not really a free pet- and yes I do get your drift, but you have to have done the camping anyways. I mean for a common or a low rarespawn pet, I would frown upon it. But for something a bit harder, like say Krush, Mosh or something in a high traffic zone that you barely got anyways with the skin of your teeth? I don't really see a reason against asking for it to be restored aslong as well, ya'know, don't flood the game mods.

Well, it's like asking a GM to restore some piece of gear or other item you sold because you needed the money, but after a month you have enough gold and would want that item back. If GM did that that's all they would be doing now - restoring stuff people got rid of for various reasons.

[Gumballs]

GMs won't restore items for that reason, I have tried multiple times with multiple GMs. And there is also a limit on how many full restores you can get if you were hacked, so your justification using that as an example doesn't work. Two people I know on WoW got hacked multiple times, and for each of them on the third time no one Would restore any of their things. One tried ticketing for over 2 months and each time he got the same response: too bad. He quit the game after that, it was really sad actually.

Basically I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to restores with pets after this patch. I'd rather get my pets back myself and save my restores (assuming they put a limit on it) for when I actually need them.

[Ryai]

GMs won't restore items for that reason, I have tried multiple times with multiple GMs. And there is also a limit on how many full restores you can get if you were hacked, so your justification using that as an example doesn't work. Two people I know on WoW got hacked multiple times, and for each of them on the third time no one Would restore any of their things. One tried ticketing for over 2 months and each time he got the same response: too bad. He quit the game after that, it was really sad actually.

While I feel for your friend, I would have to say I understand how the game mods feel about this- and Aria never got no such warning from any GM about something like that. But moving on, it sounds like the GM's just didn't want to do it anymore because well your friend was insecure, either he hadn't taken the right percautions or perhaps didn't run for spy/malware/keyloggers? Because you don't really say if the hacking was within months of eachother, or spanned out between some time, because if it is the former then that's why I understand, if the latter, it doesn't justify the GM response- and by some time I mean a year or so.

Well, it's like asking a GM to restore some piece of gear or other item you sold because you needed the money, but after a month you have enough gold and would want that item back. If GM did that that's all they would be doing now - restoring stuff people got rid of for various reasons.

Er no it's not for the most part? You could talk to a friend of mine- he's a disenchanter and he's accidently sharded his gear several times. And while the GM's have tsk'd him, they never assumed he was doing it to get free dusts/shards, and then get his gear back. I mean even I have done stuff like that.

Though your argument does have some valid points, it's only not really any different than when hunters got 2 extra stable slots come TBC, I am sure some hunter asked if a GM could have restore a pet he had to abandon and keep abandoning because of the 'TAME PET, LEARN SKILL, TEACH SKILL' crap going on And the leveling from tame level to your level deal.

And yes I do understand your fears, but I really see no harm in ticketing for one pet restore or even talking with a GM once the patch day blues so to speak, calm down. Or hell, go contact a GM now and talk it out, see if there is a policy or what their general stance is on things like this; if a hunter asks at a decent time and all that, instead of just hiding under a rock and fearing, no offense.

GM's are there to help us after all, and I have even gotten into such a ramble chat with one he had to excuse himself because evidently the devs frown upon game mods socializing with us.

Hell we even got into a chat about multiboxers. Aria has gotten into chats with them about Lurky and I'm jealous as one even appeared evidently and hugged her, or hugged Lurky.

[Elo]

It kind of seems lazy and or exploitive to me….to ask for a pet restore. If you willing abandoned it to make room for another pet.


What’s the deal with Having King Mosh restored? …Is there any difference between King Mosh skin and the Regular Red Tyrant Devilsaur?



Its kind of like Deleting your T-4 set on purpose to make room in your bank…and then asking for it back on a whim.

[Worba]

From what I can see there are three types of restore being discussed:

1) Pets that were abandoned due to a hacked account, abandoned due to a glitch (either the pet was glitchy or it simply disappeared on its own, due to a bug)

2) Pets that were abandoned at a time when they could still be retamed, and were subsequently made untamable

3) Pets that were abandoned due to personal choice, to make room for a new pet, for a roleplaying reason, or etc - e.g. anything that doesn't fall into 1 or 2

I don't think anyone seriously argues against #1.

I personally think #2 is also a valid restore scenario, though I could see a GM refusing it (especially if he's being asked to restore the same pet for the 2nd time, or if restore requests become common).

It's #3 that most people including myself seem to disagree with, on grounds that GMs should only be helping you with issues that were inflicted upon you / which you had no power to prevent or foresee e.g. it happened through no fault of your own, whereas #3 is self inflicted.

Back in the day I recall GM wait time was typically in the order of 5-10 minutes. Nowadays as everyone knows, it can take days for a request to be answered. Think how you'd feel if you knew that you were waiting on getting your character unstuck from an elevator bug or etc... while another player was asking the GM to restore a pet he chose to abandon and just doesn't want to have to camp it again?

[Sasrei]

My view on this whole issue is if you cant tame it right now IE untameable like the hydra and slime then by all means put in a ticket and see if you can find a nice GM. But for pets that arent that hard to find and just require camping a bit then I think you shouldnt put in a ticket.
I know with only 5 stable slots we have all abandoned pets we clearly didnt want to or regretted it but absence makes the heart fonder sometimes and certain rares wont be hard to find. I guess everyone will find out today when realms go up how many hunters are camping for pets and may be best to wait awhile or camp later at nights if you can. But id hate for GMs to get abused by people who just dont want to camp at all for the rare they released in order to get something else. That was a choice you made, even though it was unwilling.

I got hacked about a month ago, my main character was faction changed and deleted. It took em.. 5 hours to get her back and everything else but when I came online I had no hunter pets whatsoever. My KK, Loque, Skoll, Aotona and oil wolf was gone. It took them... about 5 mins to restore them ^.^ So I was really happy. That was the first time i asked for a pet restore.

The second time I asked for a pet restore is when I talked with two GMs about Ravasaur matriarch being tameable ok ok I know she isnt tameable but I put in a ticket and asked why she wasnt. This GM said that she was fixed and is now tameable.. so I released King mosh (I had Loque, kk, skoll and aotona.. king mosh was the only choice) and I opened another ticket about how you would tame her. A different GM said there was a certain method to it.. after trying a bit. I asked again and got another GM who said that no she wasnt tameable because the devs didnt want her tameable and she apologized for the GMs who were misinformed about the raptor. After talking with her a bit about it, I just casually said well its going to suck to tame King mosh again since hes hardcore to find but Ill park my guy here and camp it out. After about.. 2 mins the GM asked if I was still there and offered to restore my Masahiro ^.^ So I got my boy back and learned.. not all GMs now what they are talking about. I guess with that lesson I had a much deeper respect for the GMs and all they do.

So please people if you can camp it, then camp it. Make friends with hunters in the area and other people. Let them know you are looking and there is a possibility that they will help you, I always offer money.. they like money ^.^. Not everyone is jerks though some are.. the tame timer is 10 secs now.. with some haste gear it goes down to 8 secs. I tamed KK twice on the PTR, without dying and only taking a few attempts so you dont have to worry about waiting for that priest or having a trash pet. The only issue is getting them to spawn... but they all come out of the bar eventually.. I think. Either way folks.. noone really ever gets out of the basin.
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[Worba]

I got hacked about a month ago, my main character was faction changed and deleted. It took em.. 5 hours to get her back and everything else but when I came online I had no hunter pets whatsoever. My KK, Loque, Skoll, Aotona and oil wolf was gone. It took them... about 5 mins to restore them ^.^ So I was really happy. That was the first time i asked for a pet restore.

Hack/glitch = definitely ok to ask for restore

The second time I asked for a pet restore is when I talked with two GMs about Ravasaur matriarch being tameable ok ok I know she isnt tameable but I put in a ticket and asked why she wasnt. This GM said that she was fixed and is now tameable.. so I released King mosh (I had Loque, kk, skoll and aotona.. king mosh was the only choice) and I opened another ticket about how you would tame her. A different GM said there was a certain method to it.. after trying a bit. I asked again and got another GM who said that no she wasnt tameable because the devs didnt want her tameable and she apologized for the GMs who were misinformed about the raptor. After talking with her a bit about it, I just casually said well its going to suck to tame King mosh again since hes hardcore to find but Ill park my guy here and camp it out. After about.. 2 mins the GM asked if I was still there and offered to restore my Masahiro ^.^ So I got my boy back and learned.. not all GMs now what they are talking about. I guess with that lesson I had a much deeper respect for the GMs and all they do.

Ehh... this would be one of the rare/borderline cases like I talked about in #2; on the one hand, it's up to you to figure out how to tame something, and use beast lore to confirm before making any final decisions... plus it's not even a unique skin... on the other hand, if the GMs did give you mixed/bad/wrong info and you relied on it, then they owe it to you to give your pet back, so yeah, I would've given you the pet back... if I was in a good mood and not getting pelted with "but I miss MrSmoochy!!!!!" restore requests from other hunters...

[Sasrei]

Ehh... this would be one of the rare/borderline cases like I talked about in #2; on the one hand, it's up to you to figure out how to tame something, and use beast lore to confirm before making any final decisions... plus it's not even a unique skin... on the other hand, if the GMs did give you mixed/bad/wrong info and you relied on it, then they owe it to you to give your pet back, so yeah, I would've given you the pet back... if I was in a good mood and not getting pelted with "but I miss MrSmoochy!!!!!" restore requests from other hunters...

All I can say is that it was really really early and I was not fully awake. I did beast lore it but you know when two GMs say HEY its tameable we just didnt want every to know. Its one of those hard to get tames. Like.. Oil stained wolf was kinda what I was thinking, and i like a challenge.. and the green raptor is my fave but I have this affinity for rares. Especially her.. I like to steal her eggs

But the GM I talked with was really amazing. They are some pretty nice people so Id hate for them to get overworked with pet restores when people can just camp. WE all know you tend to have a stronger bond with the pets you camp for then the ones you just happen to see spawn (for rares) atleast it is for me anyways lol. First time I got Gondria it was a happen chance. then I liked her but wanted the beast.. regretted letting him go.. 4 days later.. I got him again. Then he took another vacation when some KIng decided to pop up haha.

But I agree with your points. If you can just camp, if its not tameable by all means try and see if youll get a kind GM. But I think it be best to wait a week or so, right now GMs will be flooded with my char is stuck in a tree. My flying mount dismounted me and now I dont know where I am.

Unless you look into your stable and you have no pets. Then by all means.. pet in a ticker straightaway!! On the ptr I didnt lose any of my pets but the change to live.. well.. it can be scary. Good luck and happy hunting. The count down begins soon.

[bluddy]

odd....first time i make a post a reall fuzz seems to be around it. i don't think i'll retame arcturis since it won't be him. i went on an ally yesterday and i was my ally friend online (i'm horde) which i was camping with...i even broke the first room in camping, logging to talk to him. i remember i was just putting some music on and arcturis was spawned..The other hunter was afk, (i know this will be rude but i was in such an SB rush^^) and i started taming...afterwards i realised what an ***hole i was for that. i felt sorry and named arc after him. So i went talking to him on my ally alt and he named his pet after me..so i won't retame arcturis, neither will i ask for an restore since yeah it would kinda be abusing the game since it really was my choise when i abandoned him. oh well i'll prolly use loque more i think.

[Kalliope]

The other thing that people aren't considering is that Northrend is going to empty out in a couple of months. Retaming the harder to find pets will be easier then.

[Jangalian]

Either way folks.. no one really ever gets out of the basin.
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