Pets With Appearance Buffs no longer tameable

[Rikaku]

You mean, ignore the fact that outside of 3 pets, the rest were all harmless?
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But what does Blizzard fix? Do they fix the REAL problems? Noooo they evidently 'fix' sparkle pets.

Wonderful.

No they fixed an exploit.

The issue wasn't "sparkle pets", it was never the fact the pets sparkled that is the issue behind this hotfix. The issue is that players found a way around the "cleansing" coding that wiped all buffs/debuffs off of mobs once they became tamed Hunter pets. That's why they removed it, not because they didn't want your Plainstrider to sparkle.

Regardless of whether 300 pets had an active debuff/buff that caused extra damage or if it were just 3 pets that had the buff, the fact of the matter was that players had found a way to retain buffs of any sort in a manner that went around Blizzard's intended coding. That's the problem with this taming method and why it got hotfixed. The potential for this method to be abused was out there and it needed to be addressed promptly.

[Ryai]

I enjoy how some of the people on this forum are SURPRISED that Blizzard fixed this problem.

Yes. I am. Why? Because as I said there are WORSE glitches still in game that NEED to be fixed. Mostly QUESTS. But sadly, they have NOT been fixed. And SOME quests have been broken since 4.0.1 or longer! Shocker!

Here's an interesting thought: The louder you are about a problem, the more it'll get looked into. When it turns out a problem existed, they'll fix it.

Shocker but; no. It's not. If it was true they'd have fixed other things.

If a bug isn't loudly pointed out, it will take time to get fixed. If there's a bug that you want to see fixed, don't submit a single ticket, submit four or five, or alternatively, ask to speak to a higher-up GM about your problem initially.

Actually alot of the bugs I mention most likely were pointed out. Loudly. Repeatedly. In Beta; and PTR. Shocking thing is most things get over looked or ignored. And I am pissed serious problems are overlooked because of ... vanity hunter pets.

If someone pointed out that a hunter could receive a damage buff from these pets to Blizzard, I'd be willing to bet that it has SOMETHING to do with them hotfixing it this quickly. However, I'm also willing to bet, it's a small reason. It's a relatively innocuous bug, the problem is when you guys yell about it to GMs to "make sure it's okay."
What did you think would happen? Really?

Tbh I would have thought they'd make the dmg dealing pets untameable or make it where such buffs were wiped period, on taming. No hunter here afaik explictely went for those pets. No decent person would. Tbh this is just another sad day in the long yet short history, of retired pets.

The issue wasn't "sparkle pets", it was never the fact the pets sparkled that is the issue behind this hotfix. The issue is that players found a way around the "cleansing" coding that wiped all buffs/debuffs off of mobs once they became tamed Hunter pets. That's why they removed it, not because they didn't want your Plainstrider to sparkle.

And as I said why do this- why not make it where pets with the damage buffs were untameable and wiped from stables. Or make it where the buffs were secretly timed if damaging. We found that damage buffs when timed, or any buff, or debuff, when timed would not tick over.

So I'm pissed they did this first, instead of the worst shit, because really we could go out and tame deathwing and burninate the countryside with this mostly harmless exploit.

[Rikaku]

The issue wasn't "sparkle pets", it was never the fact the pets sparkled that is the issue behind this hotfix. The issue is that players found a way around the "cleansing" coding that wiped all buffs/debuffs off of mobs once they became tamed Hunter pets. That's why they removed it, not because they didn't want your Plainstrider to sparkle.

And as I said why do this- why not make it where pets with the damage buffs were untameable and wiped from stables. Or make it where the buffs were secretly timed if damaging. We found that damage buffs when timed, or any buff, or debuff, when timed would not tick over.

So I'm pissed they did this first, instead of the worst shit, because really we could go out and tame deathwing and burninate the countryside with this mostly harmless exploit.

Because even if you ignore the "bad buff pets" (as I'm going to call them for a lack of a better word), the whole method is an exploit. That doesn't change just because players find their pets harmless. Blizzard obviously doesn't approve of the method and the method as a whole was fairly questionable from the start as the method was irregular as it involved forcibly abandoning a pet in a timed manner to avoid Blizzard's intended cleansing mechanic for all tamed pets. That alone made it an exploit, regardless of whether it was mostly harmless or not.

At least they didn't wipe the already tamed pets OR do what I thought they would have AKA just make all those pets untameable period.

[Ryai]

At least they didn't wipe the already tamed pets OR do what I thought they would have AKA just make all those pets untameable period.

And you don't know that they haven't thought about it nor can't say that they WON'T. As there most likely are hunters with the 'true exploits' as I'm going to call them, IE the pets that can do 15% more damage [even if 15% more is taken on them, unless in a heavy AoE fight it wouldn't matter much]. But how are they going to do that? Well they could forcibly remove the buff, but that would also mean they could do it to all pets. Meaning they would/could have to wipe EVERYthing. Not just the dps buffed pets.

So you can't really say for certain that they won't do this eventually.

So once again I can be pissed they 'fixed this' yet you can go to Uldum, try and do a quest, and you get face raped repeatedly by invisible mobs and be told WORKING AS INTENDED.

[Rikaku]

So you can't really say for certain that they won't do this eventually.

So once again I can be pissed they 'fixed this' yet you can go to Uldum, try and do a quest, and you get face assaulted repeatedly by invisible mobs and be told WORKING AS INTENDED.

I never said I knew for certainty nor that you can't be pissed. You're free to feel however you want about it, I'm not going to tell you how you should feel. I'm just stating my opinions on the matter, just as you have the right to be upset I have a right to discuss my thoughts civilly.

And you're right. No one can say for certainty what will happen in the end. So obviously what I said before applies to just now in the present. I can speak for what may or may not happen in the future, nor will I claim to.

[Manticora]

I tried this last night on a Ghostpaw Alpha with no luck. The macro still works for abandoning, just not with appearance buff pets. It was fun while it lasted.

[Slickrock4]

Has anyone tried the damage ones to see if it's just those that were fixed?

[Taso]

I enjoy how some of the people on this forum are SURPRISED that Blizzard fixed this problem.

Yes. I am. Why? Because as I said there are WORSE glitches still in game that NEED to be fixed. Mostly QUESTS. But sadly, they have NOT been fixed. And SOME quests have been broken since 4.0.1 or longer! Shocker!

Here's an interesting thought: The louder you are about a problem, the more it'll get looked into. When it turns out a problem existed, they'll fix it.

Shocker but; no. It's not. If it was true they'd have fixed other things.

If a bug isn't loudly pointed out, it will take time to get fixed. If there's a bug that you want to see fixed, don't submit a single ticket, submit four or five, or alternatively, ask to speak to a higher-up GM about your problem initially.

Actually alot of the bugs I mention most likely were pointed out. Loudly. Repeatedly. In Beta; and PTR. Shocking thing is most things get over looked or ignored. And I am pissed serious problems are overlooked because of ... vanity hunter pets.

If someone pointed out that a hunter could receive a damage buff from these pets to Blizzard, I'd be willing to bet that it has SOMETHING to do with them hotfixing it this quickly. However, I'm also willing to bet, it's a small reason. It's a relatively innocuous bug, the problem is when you guys yell about it to GMs to "make sure it's okay."
What did you think would happen? Really?

Tbh I would have thought they'd make the dmg dealing pets untameable or make it where such buffs were wiped period, on taming. No hunter here afaik explictely went for those pets. No decent person would. Tbh this is just another sad day in the long yet short history, of retired pets.

The issue wasn't "sparkle pets", it was never the fact the pets sparkled that is the issue behind this hotfix. The issue is that players found a way around the "cleansing" coding that wiped all buffs/debuffs off of mobs once they became tamed Hunter pets. That's why they removed it, not because they didn't want your Plainstrider to sparkle.

And as I said why do this- why not make it where pets with the damage buffs were untameable and wiped from stables. Or make it where the buffs were secretly timed if damaging. We found that damage buffs when timed, or any buff, or debuff, when timed would not tick over.

So I'm pissed they did this first, instead of the worst shit, because really we could go out and tame deathwing and burninate the countryside with this mostly harmless exploit.

1. You're making a poor argument here, trying to transpose A over B. Your argument is that they should have caught other bugs, not necessarily that they shouldn't have caught this bug(unless I'm mistaken, and for some reason, you believe Blizzard should actively sabotage themselves by leaving easy-to-fix bugs in their game that people can exploit). So you shouldn't be surprised that they fixed this. You SHOULD be surprised that they still haven't fixed other problems if anything.

2. Being a long-time member on a prominent exploit site for WoW, I can safely say that I've seen my share of bug-fixes, when they've been fixed, and why. More often than not, a bug is fixed when Blizzard hears about it from multiple sources or it sets off huge alarms.
Something that sets off huge alarms would be "This guy's not dying, or hacking or something," "This guy's flying without a mount and shooting me from the air." "This guy's selling level 82 items before Cataclysm is out" "This guy hit 85 an hour after Cataclysm came out" etc. Something game-breaking.
Something people often complain about is, in particular, something that they hear from MULTIPLE sources. After that, it becomes a matter of simplicity to fix. A problem with the intricate coding in phasing? Probably difficult to handle without screwing something up, requiring some extensive testing on their own test servers. A problem involving the coding for abandon Pet not working properly? A much more simple fix.

When faced with the two of those problems, obviously, they're working on both. One may take extra time or be less-invested if it's not expressly harped on by the community from multiple sources.

In the case of the pets, it was a bug that was posted about on the forums in glowing testimony. SEVERAL petopia members petitioned GMs, and it was a big deal on these forums themselves. Given the fact that it became public knowledge and had a SIMPLE fix, versus bugs that are relatively common knowledge with difficult fixes, which do you think they'd go for first?

3. A single forum post in the beta forums(riddled with bug sightings) isn't quite worth a loud forum post and a lot of GM tickets, which inevitably dripped down to Devs, who said, "Okay, we're hearing about this problem from two sources. Gotta' do something about it. Oh, hey, it's an easy problem to fix. Even better."

4. Making individual pets untameable doesn't fix the problem. View this from their perspective. If they do that, other pets in the future could have the same flaw that makes them exploitable. It's not their job to see a bug and LIMIT it. Their job is to remove it altogether.
I went for the Feltaint spider and the rare carrion bird with feltaint in BL. I tamed both and both are sitting in my stable right now.

5. I've addressed the poorly considered issue of tame-ability in point 4. As for individual pet-wiping from the stables? I can only imagine how obscenely difficult and time consuming that would be. With how many hunters there are across all servers? What they COULD have done is change what model the pet is, thus removing the buff, but this would have affected the mobs in Blasted Lands as well, effectively ruining some lore.
Development is more difficult than I imagine you think it is.

An exploit is an exploit. You can't get MAD that they fixed their game and made it better. This is just the cropping of the edges- the easier bugs with easier fixes.
This was going to be fixed at one time or another. Just be happy with the pets you have and the next bug will come out before long.

A parting thought, no Dev or intelligent GM would have said "working as intended" about phased mobs in Caty zones pounding on you. I'd like to see a chat you had where that happened.

[pengupuff]

There must be a lot of self-loathing people out there to pay 15 dollars a month for a game they do nothing but complain about. ;_;

[TygerDarkstorm]

There must be a lot of self-loathing people out there to pay 15 dollars a month for a game they do nothing but complain about. ;_;

I think part of the problem is that some don't see this as an exploit even though it is. It's not necessarily harming others in the game (Unless you grab one of the damage buff pets), but it is a type of exploit. This is Blizzard's game, cheating the pet cleansing system is obviously something that wasn't intended.

Just because you (not you specifically pengu, just in general) don't think it's fair doesn't mean that it isn't. If everything that players complained about went into effect/got taken away, we'd have a very broken and crappy game. This isn't our game and this isn't something that we can say whether it's right or wrong. And no offense, but some of us warned you that something like this might happen and to take it slow with these kind of pets and instead it got steam rolled through and now they're being taken away. I think had the pets with temporary buffs/debuffs not have been discovered/tamed, then we might get to keep this sort of thing with Lone Hunter, the oil staineds, etc. Just my thoughts.

[Lisaara]

Well....that sucks. I was looking forward to getting the oil wolf for my undead hunter.

But like many said, it was an exploit no matter how you slice it.

I never used that macro though.

[Macha]

I'm not surprised at all that Blizz fixed this considering SO MANY people went out and made forum posts/opened tickets/etcetera. How many people made threads here saying "I got in contact with a GM about the effect pets!"? If you call attention to it, of course the eye of Blizz will be fixed on it, and it'll be changed all the faster.

In any case, all of this arguing is for nothing. It's fixed and there's no going back, end of story.

[pengupuff]

I'm with you 100% Tyger, not sure if you got what I was implying in my post.

I just don't think this hotfix is a big deal. For the 5 or so glitched pet looks we'll be losing (which looked goofy and unnatural anyway imo), we gained literally hundreds of new pet looks after Cata hit, including but not limited to a TURTLE WITH A VOLCANO NOSE.

Beyond that, if these changes are so earth-shattering and shocking to some, why even waste the cash? Cancel your subscription and go outside until you cool off. xD

[bloodysam]

I don't think they fixed it because i got the knock off spirit wolf like two days ago. but idk maybe lol.

[Lady Ez]

Just tamed a sparkle strider at 3:45 CST using the pet abandon macro. On my way to try the Ghost Wolf again.


**Update**

Tamed a Ghostpaw Runner with the spectral skin at 4:44 pm CST. Took a long time and around 60 tries but the pet abandon macro still works with them. Happy Hunting!

[Manticora]

Official blue post says we're out of luck with these. I tried it yesterday but it didn't work out. They let us keep the ones we had though. I named my Lonehunter "Saint Peter".


Also? Blizzard does listen to us. If what we want is more "trick tames" with special appearances that use in game mechanics, why not suggest it somewhere? I like having fun ways of taming pets. Not just pets that have a lot of HP, or a nerf bat, but more pets that are only alive for like 4 seconds before they die/despawn. Pets that are entirely green to everyone, and only become neutral if you answer a riddle correctly, or pets that only spawn during rainy weather in game on a Tuesday. Easter egg type stuff for us.

On a side note, I always found it funny how we're basically the only class that gives blizzard this much trouble. If there is a pet in game that has something different about it, we will find a way to tame it. The whole "untameable" brain bug thing and this appearance buff thing only proves my point. I often feel like, as a class (including myself), we're like those kids in kindergarten that won't stop eating play dough or paste, and they have to take it away from us and tell us to "play nice with the other kids".

I think i'm done now. o.O Sorry about the wall of text.

[Rikaku]

Just tamed a sparkle strider at 3:45 CST using the pet abandon macro. On my way to try the Ghost Wolf again.


**Update**

Tamed a Ghostpaw Runner with the spectral skin at 4:44 pm CST. Took a long time and around 60 tries but the pet abandon macro still works with them. Happy Hunting!

Considering Blizzard is fixing this, I think it would be best to not try to continue to do it. Doing something that you now know that Blizzard frowns upon does run a risk of punishment.

Also, do keep in mind what the Blues state about hotfixes:

While many have already been deployed on all realms, some may not be implemented until the next time your realm is restarted.

So this entire pet-buff issue may have more coming on tuesday, you may be completely unable to tame using that method once Tuesday maintenance is over. And we will have to see what becomes of the already-tamed pets come Tuesday morning after patch, there's still no certainty that their buffs will remain post-hotfix.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
It is no longer possible for hunters to tame pets in a way that allows them to keep any buffs the creatures had on them prior to being tamed.

^ Quoted from MMO-Champ. If your server hasn't been updated with this fix, I'd suggest not taming anymore of these pets so as not to put your account at risk.

[Lisaara]

Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
It is no longer possible for hunters to tame pets in a way that allows them to keep any buffs the creatures had on them prior to being tamed.

^ Quoted from MMO-Champ. If your server hasn't been updated with this fix, I'd suggest not taming anymore of these pets so as not to put your account at risk.

This ^

They know about it now. It's now against ToS practically and now they can get you for it.

[wildstormz]

Ok i know there might be few thread not sure... i didn't bother to try look around but what im trying to say why dose blizz add pets with awesome glowing buff etc... all those pets why cant we just tame them with the buff i don't see why they have remove it... I always thought my gosh that pet has awesome glowing on it body makes it more amazing then some boring pet with no shadow around it body if you get what i mean... What i am trying to say if it has a background makes the pet more interesting with glowing effort around it body etc...


I would like blizz to keep them with the Awesome glowing effort or something awesome around the pet body !

YOU ALL AGREE WITH ME ??!!


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