GAAH!!! Lost a blue Madexx to an undead rogue.

[Jroaeyl]

1st tag 1st serve really reminds me of parking spaces. If I see one and someone gets there before me, then I let it go. I look for another space and think instead to be grateful that I can still walk from the car to where I'm going.

It's the same with rares. If I see it but someone else gets it before me then I let it go. I even /clap. I fly away thankful that I can still play and enjoy the game. I say to myself it's not worth it to ruin the entire game just for one missed rare.

[Cialbi]

I said that squares are probably going to be rectangles, and you objecting to my supposed accusation that all rectangles are squares? I did not accuse all rogues of being jerks, I merely speculated that jerks may be more likely to play rogues - which does not suggest that no kind and decent people will choose to play that class for different reasons. To oversimplify, my comment was that the jerks tend to be rogues, not that the rogues tend to be jerks.

I don't understand your point with the technicality, though. If you tag the mob, someone else kills it, isn't it your loot? If you wanted to tame your tagged mob, then it's practically the same situation as what Slickrock experienced minus the technicality of who gets a whopping 25g vendor trash item.

[Novikova]

Honestly? The tamables ARE meant for hunters, that's why they only drop a gray tear. Personally I think it's crappy someone would kill an in demand rare for a mere 25 gold when a hunter is often happy to fork over many times that sum. So yeah, I think it's rude and lousy to kill non-achieve rares for a gray to link at people. Then again, I guess whatever floats your boat. It's best not to get too riled up over it.

Unfortunately, first tags is first tags. He got there first. Yes, rogues tend to be obnoxious. But honestly? I've run into WAY more rude druids, DKs and paladins.

[Jroaeyl]

...But honestly? I've run into WAY more rude druids, DKs and paladins.

Warriors in my case. lol

[Alcama]

I said that squares are probably going to be rectangles, and you objecting to my supposed accusation that all rectangles are squares? I did not accuse all rogues of being jerks, I merely speculated that jerks may be more likely to play rogues - which does not suggest that no kind and decent people will choose to play that class for different reasons. To oversimplify, my comment was that the jerks tend to be rogues, not that the rogues tend to be jerks.

My comment wasn't solely a reply to you, sorry for not making that clear. I've personally played a rogue for quite some time (most of which have been spent PvP'ing so a fair amount of time have been spent sapping people in BGs) and a vast majority of the rogues I know are genuinely nice people. In my experience jerks tend to gravitate towards other classes.

I don't understand your point with the technicality, though. If you tag the mob, someone else kills it, isn't it your loot? If you wanted to tame your tagged mob, then it's practically the same situation as what Slickrock experienced minus the technicality of who gets a whopping 25g vendor trash item.

Let me rephrase: Me as a hunter wouldn't agree that it's a technicality if I tag a beast and start taming and then someone else immediately starts attacking said beast.

[Cialbi]

Ah, OK; now I understand you. I thought you were making a strawman argument against me
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I guess my point on the 'mere technicality' needs to be rephrased as well. If you are trying to tame a beast and someone else who arrived at the same time kills it, you aren't really going to care who got the tag on the mob (assuming that said mob drops a Tear of Loyalty, as is the case with Madexx). You're going to be unhappy if your tagged mob is killed before your tame finishes, and you're going to be unhappy if your intended tame gets tagged and killed before you can pull off your tame. It's not worthwhile making a big deal about who tagged the mob, when what is really angering you is that you were taming a beast when someone else killed it.

[Vetiver]

So what? If I find a rare on my druid, and no hunter wants it (Asking is a courtesy, as well.) I will kill it. Because I found it. It is mine to do with what I want too. And 25 gold is 25 gold.

I would tend to somewhat agree with everything else you said, except that this seems kind of jerk-y. 25 gold is less than nothing in terms of Cata economy. Why can't you just leave it alone so some lucky hunter can log in on top of it's spawn point and be super happy?

[Slickrock]

Also, could people *please* stop assuming that everyone who plays a rogue is underhanded and does cheap shots in real life? I thought this was a role playing game...

Fair point. But I've had far, far, far too many undead rogues bouncing around like a 4-year-old on meth chain-sap me, and whatever the other moves are to every really change my opinion of the majority of rogues, at least undead ones. Spent way too much time in AV, and lost way too many mining nodes to rogues (back in the day where you had to tap the node for each piece of ore).

[mascarecrow]

/sigh I lost the blue one tonight to a dk that tapped it first. Stood there emoting /weep while it went down. He never even slowed down but hey, what can you do. Finally at least saw one LOL

[Alcama]

I guess my point on the 'mere technicality' needs to be rephrased as well. If you are trying to tame a beast and someone else who arrived at the same time kills it, you aren't really going to care who got the tag on the mob (assuming that said mob drops a Tear of Loyalty, as is the case with Madexx). You're going to be unhappy if your tagged mob is killed before your tame finishes, and you're going to be unhappy if your intended tame gets tagged and killed before you can pull off your tame. It's not worthwhile making a big deal about who tagged the mob, when what is really angering you is that you were taming a beast when someone else killed it.

True, I'd be upset either way, but the way I look at it the tag matters. Perhaps it's because this game was my first MMO (I know other ones doesn't have this concept at all) and also perhaps because my first character wasn't a hunter. If you take taming out of the equation then who got the tag is in fact all that matters. The tag seems to me to be a decent way of handling the "who's mob is this" problem, though there are probably better solutions.

[Alcama]

Also, could people *please* stop assuming that everyone who plays a rogue is underhanded and does cheap shots in real life? I thought this was a role playing game...

Fair point. But I've had far, far, far too many undead rogues bouncing around like a 4-year-old on meth chain-sap me, and whatever the other moves are to every really change my opinion of the majority of rogues, at least undead ones. Spent way too much time in AV, and lost way too many mining nodes to rogues (back in the day where you had to tap the node for each piece of ore).

The old node system was a pain indeed.

Also, sorry for derailing your thread

[Cialbi]

So what? If I find a rare on my druid, and no hunter wants it (Asking is a courtesy, as well.) I will kill it. Because I found it. It is mine to do with what I want too. And 25 gold is 25 gold.

I would tend to somewhat agree with everything else you said, except that this seems kind of jerk-y. 25 gold is less than nothing in terms of Cata economy. Why can't you just leave it alone so some lucky hunter can log in on top of it's spawn point and be super happy?

True that. I know several hunters on Cenarion Circle who I could send a tell to and have scurrying over as fast as they can. Horde-side, you still have folks like Aquillian who would love to tame a Cata rare. All I'm asking is that you leave something more than a corpse for the next hunter that happens upon the spot. Oh, and I get a lot of satisfaction out of finding a hunter that wants to tame a rare.

[Azunara]

So what? If I find a rare on my druid, and no hunter wants it (Asking is a courtesy, as well.) I will kill it. Because I found it. It is mine to do with what I want too. And 25 gold is 25 gold.

I would tend to somewhat agree with everything else you said, except that this seems kind of jerk-y. 25 gold is less than nothing in terms of Cata economy. Why can't you just leave it alone so some lucky hunter can log in on top of it's spawn point and be super happy?

My point is though...Yeah, I could leave it. But hunters are one class out of what...10? The chances of a hunter actually finding it are low in this case. And 25 gold is worth more than the 15-20 gold I'd make doing a single daily or quest.

1 minute to kill a rare, 5-10 minutes to do a daily.

BUT.

If you would rather leave a rare, that's your perspective. Okay. Fine. If I would rather kill it, okay. Fine. That's how I do it.

[yamienigma]

I used to kill rares when i was on my dk, and then I saw King Krush, I wanted him. so i started camping for him on my hunter hours and hours just to come across and find him dead and I'd start again. after realizing the pain and suffering that comes from camping and loosing the rare I decided I'd never kill a tamable rare again. So there will be no frostbitten for me. an achievement, an item or gold just isn't worth it to me.

[Impulse]

It comes down to a simple fact, you have to act fast. Be prepared for it.

I suggest have a core hound ready with Ancient hysteria + dismiss pet macro, hoping it will save you trouble from various unfortunate incidents.
Also I noticed most people do not bother tagging first in panic, it gives other players more temptation to screw you over. At least you can discourage players from same faction or others in general if you are in a PvE server. But in the end if they are assholes they will do what they can to mess it up so it wouldn't hurt to be prepared.

[Royi]

Also, could people *please* stop assuming that everyone who plays a rogue is underhanded and does cheap shots in real life? I thought this was a role playing game...

Fair point. But I've had far, far, far too many undead rogues bouncing around like a 4-year-old on meth chain-sap me, and whatever the other moves are to every really change my opinion of the majority of rogues, at least undead ones. Spent way too much time in AV, and lost way too many mining nodes to rogues (back in the day where you had to tap the node for each piece of ore).

I think that Undead Rogues attract the more "jerk" oriented people in general. Not to say some arent nice, but the fact that you can be a zombie backstabber who can gank from the shadows tends to appeal to those that are normally more "jerk"-esq.

Whereas say someone who wants to play a Holy Cow will probably be a nicer person in RL since they are loveable cow-healers and they want to go around healing people, or maybe even Gnomish Priests too

Just doing some basic stereotyping, nothing wrong with a little bit

Its just like saying that most hunters tend to like to collect things.

[Ryai]

The problem with profiling rogues as asshats is unfortunately the fact most rogues Are asshats, as most of the time when you deal with a rogue they aren't kind. And usually when I bitch in a BG about rogues I do also remember to include a 'No offense meant' it was just understandable rant, it happens. That said I actually had a run one in a BG and guess what, 3 UD rogues protected me. They didn't have to protect me, they didn't really need my mini cow's healing abilities but they protected my ass and I healed them. Which is a change as ALOT of rogues usually ignore me.

Though that said, assholes can be on both factions and on all classes, which is why I don't really like profiling to much either, when I can remember to avoid it. And I also misread the Op's post, I thought he had the tame originally, but he didn't. You shouldn't have bothered and just mounted up and gone on your way, it was obvious the rogue wanted to be a dick and **** with you, and the fact that you actually helped kill Madexx only added to his goal. He got his trolling at the expense of your time.

[Sasrei]

I actually have very little problem finding a hunter to tame a cata rare. Ive found a few karomas, sambas's, terrorpenes, and madexx's for other people.
Even had a shammy watch me tag madexx and just sit with him trapped while I explained to him that my hunter guildie was coming to tame it, and it drops only 25g. He cheered at me and cheered at my friend who tamed it.

Rogues.. Ive only had one bad experience.. DKS on the other hand.. I... really.. dislike. Not saying that all DKS are rude jerks who enjoy finding rares and killing them infront of a hunter who has it tagged but.. most of them.

I make 25g with getting a few herbs, quests pay good. I dont see the point of killing it when I am pretty sure it wouldnt take long to find someone to tame it considering the 40+ other people in that area.

Yes we are only one class, we are the only class who would make use of that rare and if you read the forums youll notice how many have a strong bond with there little pixel pets. So making one person happy for a bit, even if they put that pet in the stable, is to me alot better then 25g and quite alot of hunters sad who have been searching actively for that rare to pop. But then again maybe thats just me.

Ive had alot of rares killed on me when I had them tagged so its a sore subject for me.

[Dekota]

aww I'm so sorry! !

I was out in Uldum on my Warlock doing the Scoroid quest when Madexx the Blue spawned RIGHT on top of me! I was like OMG DX!! I already have the color I wanted on my Hunter (Gold) so I announced in Gen Chat that Madexx had spawned if anyone wanted him. A hunter whispered me and was heading to my location when I saw a friggin' alliance fly down. I tapped Madexx with Shadowfury. My lock is only 83 so I was confident that it wouldn't kill him xD and then Feared him because he was kicking my clothy ass DX So the alliance just flew away and the Hunter arrived to tame him! Yay! He offered me gold for the tame but I wouldn't accept it and told him grats for his new pet :3

Makes me feel a warm and fuzzy inside ^o^

Don't give up sweety. you'll get him!!

[Cialbi]

So what? If I find a rare on my druid, and no hunter wants it (Asking is a courtesy, as well.) I will kill it. Because I found it. It is mine to do with what I want too. And 25 gold is 25 gold.

I would tend to somewhat agree with everything else you said, except that this seems kind of jerk-y. 25 gold is less than nothing in terms of Cata economy. Why can't you just leave it alone so some lucky hunter can log in on top of it's spawn point and be super happy?

My point is though...Yeah, I could leave it. But hunters are one class out of what...10? The chances of a hunter actually finding it are low in this case. And 25 gold is worth more than the 15-20 gold I'd make doing a single daily or quest.

1 minute to kill a rare, 5-10 minutes to do a daily.

BUT.

If you would rather leave a rare, that's your perspective. Okay. Fine. If I would rather kill it, okay. Fine. That's how I do it.

Would it be too much to ask me if I know any hunters who would really, really want to tame said rare? Heck, I've managed to free up one stable slot, and would be thrilled to tame one of the new spirit beasts.