Hunter dps rather lackluster?

[swimgremlin]

Maybe it's jus me. Sitting at 450 ilevel, and on aoe pulls I do 50k when BW is up, and about half that when it's not. Additionally, having all CDs up for a boss fight I pull between 30-40k. I rarely am top dps, and frequently and last.

I don't get it, I felt great wih my hunter from BC till 5.0. Not sure if its just heavily gear dependent, or if its just me. What numbers do you guys find yourself pulling in heroics? I've been BM too if that counts.

[Bonita]

When I pop my cds on bosses I pull 60-70k and once they fall off I fall to 30-40k. ilvl is 455 atm and I am BM as well.

[swimgremlin]

Well yeah, initial burst is good, but sustained dps is barely over 30k. And is it me, or does Covra Shot take forever now? I realize haste ratings have changed, bu man, it's killing me, especially since loosing my 2 set from DS which doubled focus regen.

[Bonita]

Yeah its definitely driving me insane.

[Lisaara]

Well you're not in raiding gear, let alone challenge gear....so that's probably part of your issue right there. Make sure you're hit and expertise capped. That makes a hefty difference. If I recall, Blizz also mentioned the numbers would be different in MoP so really what you're doing is pretty average.

[Schlager]

Yea I definitely feel Cobra Shot was put in just to slow down our burst spells. Plus having a couple of the buffs on global cool down is a pain, have to wait a second until we can start DPSing after triggering our damage buff. I miss mana

[Miyon]

Cobra shot is about 0.4 seconds slower for me now.. feels like 4 seconds slower

[Kalliope]

Well you're not in raiding gear, let alone challenge gear....so that's probably part of your issue right there. Make sure you're hit and expertise capped. That makes a hefty difference. If I recall, Blizz also mentioned the numbers would be different in MoP so really what you're doing is pretty average.

Absolutely this. ^^

It's starting from scratch on dps and everyone is having trouble with burst damage now compared to 85. We had a couple of horde trying to kill us repeatedly yesterday and they kept dying repeatedly because there was no possible way they could burst any of us down fast enough before our healer got un-CCed. Everything is super-beefy now!

[swimgremlin]

Well I can understand that for starters it's gonna take a while to gear up to feel the same, but many other classes have no problem keeping numbers up. Rogues and shadow priests I've grouped with for example hold a steady 60k.

Did hunters become more gear dependent in the past. Heck just gearing up in WotLK I was able to pull close to 2k (2k being entry numbers for raiding at the start ), before getting heroic gear. So 30-40k sustained is average at the moment?

Oh, on a personal note, mail Agi gear does not exist in heroics for me. Ran at least 20 heroics since hitting 90 Wednesday and have obtained 3 heroic pieces. Lousy luck sir far.

[Sesamee]

I think all things considered Hunter dps is a little low. I was perfectly willing to chalk it up to a brand new expansion, hit/exp cap issues, and just generally starting at the bottom. The thing is all classes are in that situation and I still feel we are a little low compared to others. Not terrible and I wouldn't say bottom of the barrel but we definitely need some attention. Once raids start then Blizz can look at the numbers and adjust accordingly. So yeah, we need some fine tuning but I don't think we need to be in panic mode just yet.

[Kalliope]

I jumped directly into heroics and was able to keep up with our (skilled) mage/lock on some fights. It depended heavily on fight mechanics, but I could do it - and I had just dinged 90! It didn't hurt that I got some immediate upgrades, but even before that, I didn't feel penalized - just the opposite!

Given, I'm still not looking at top tier matchups at this stage (in terms of personal experience), but it was quite impressive to me that I did okay.

[Sesamee]

Yeah, I agree that fight mechanics play a big role in our dps. Some fights I'm top and some fights I'm bottom. Another thing to keep in mind is that dps isn't necessarily tuned around what happens 5 player dungeons. The only way to really know how we're doing is to wait until raid data comes out over the next few days. I'm starting to miss raiding already! :/

[Danielfboone]

On the beta, Hunters in the best raid gear were doing very well. At one point they were dominating, especially as BM so we got toned down a bit. We should be fine when we start getting new Tier gear. Make sure that as BM you have Dire Beast and Lynx Rush talented, especially LR. I would also recommend Glaive Toss as the lvl 90 talent. Don't stack cooldowns that increase focus regen. In other words, don't use Rapid Fire when in Wrath or when Focus Fire is active, maybe even when Dire Beast is out. Try to save Lynx for when you're in Wrath but don't pass it up when it's available. Use it on cooldown. Don't use Mr. Robot either, it greatly overvalues Haste for BM. It has it as the best stat after hit and expertise when it's actually the worst. For BM it goes, Hit>Exp>Crit>Mastery>Haste. This is actually pretty much true for all specs except that Haste is more beneficial to MM than the other two. I have always found femaledwarf.com to be the most accurate DPS analyzer.

[Lisaara]

One thing to remember, what happened on beta doesn't always mean it will be that way on live. That's a pattern I'm noticing when the 'but on beta' sorts. Can't always depend on the beta to be what it will be on live so take it with a grain of salt.

My druid used to pull 50k+ as a kitty in heroic DS gear. Now in MoP, I'm pulling 20 - 30k and I'm ilvl 440. No heroic gear yet either so if that's any indication from a raiders perspective, Blizz made us beefier.

[swimgremlin]

Having a few new abilities to throw into our rotation wasn't so hard to get used to. Glaive throw just feels natural to me, but dire beast I let slip sometimes. :p

Another part I my frustration stems from he need/greed system right now. For example, I had the option to need on some int plate, but not on a crit trinket with an agility proc. O_o twice I've seen the end trinket in Schomence disenchanted. >.<

The best thing I have going for me right now is rep gains. Tomorrow ill be honored with Golden Loutus and revered with Klaxxi. The LW patterns should buff my item level, and I'm not sure what the mantid have for me, but I hope it's good. :p

[Shadow]

Well. With gear your DPS will go up. For example, here's 3/4 of my Gate of the Setting Sun run, boss fights only. I didn't count Raigon because he's biased on if you shoot onto his face or not. I didn't get picked up by the bug... thing so it's a solid DPS counter for me. All I can say is that Monk and DK tanks get insane DPS. The druid was our tank on the first boss. Agility ring didn't drop so he bailed and we got a monk for the last three.



Hunter DPS probably isn't stellar compared to the others... I don't know, my guild isn't even going to raid til next week, so I can get raid numbers in by then, but I'm hit and expertise capped at just over 7.5% each (about 7.8% so .3% over on each). I'm also apparently 6th most geared hunter on my server (using my Ally hunter). Not sure how much my gear points will go up cause I went from green 429 quest boots to heroic boots off of this run. xD So DPS will go up again, too. But this is as random of a sample as I can pull for my gear level (459 during the run).

I've also had to revamp my entire keybinding set up to include Glaive Toss and Murder of Crows (which I guess comes out on top right now...? I took my choice off of DwarfHunter). So I'm not completely used to my set up yet, but I'm getting there. I also only used Readiness on the second fight (I believe. I know I didn't on the first).

Not sure if that helps or not, but there you go :3 Neutral hunter DPS with no food and not fully buffed.

[Banard]

I have yet to really decide to maximize me DPS but first things first...do not worry about AoE. If its required for a boss mechanic think about going Surv for that.

To max BM AoE you will have to learn to use a Worm or Chimera and thrill of the hunter is a MUST for maxing BM aoe damage.

Also, as a note to an above poster saying flat out that haste is bad. No where does he/she discuss haste plateaus so i will be wearing of that. I still need to do more research before the raid Sunday so i cannot comment more.

Also, make sure your expertise/hit are capped for level 92 mobs until you go into raids...then make sure its capped for 93 mobs.


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[swimgremlin]

I catch myself holding onto the ghost iron dragon long because of its huge secondary stats. That alone holds me at hit/ex capped. I hate to have to start reforging, but I have the brewfest trinket and Windswept Pages now, so I'm gonna have to start looking.

Also, something of debate in guild, but Mastery>Crit for BM now correct?

[Danielfboone]

I catch myself holding onto the ghost iron dragon long because of its huge secondary stats. That alone holds me at hit/ex capped. I hate to have to start reforging, but I have the brewfest trinket and Windswept Pages now, so I'm gonna have to start looking.

Also, something of debate in guild, but Mastery>Crit for BM now correct?

I think Crit is still the better stat for BM. It certainly simmed out that way in beta.

[Lisaara]

I catch myself holding onto the ghost iron dragon long because of its huge secondary stats. That alone holds me at hit/ex capped. I hate to have to start reforging, but I have the brewfest trinket and Windswept Pages now, so I'm gonna have to start looking.

Also, something of debate in guild, but Mastery>Crit for BM now correct?

I think Crit is still the better stat for BM. It certainly simmed out that way in beta.

I hear conflicting things. A lot of hunters say Mastery > Crit for BM now(including my RL) but EJ and IV both say Crit > Mastery. So I'm really unsure myself.