Complain about MoP // The Opinion Thread

[Novikova]

People are upset by the LFR stuff because a lot of folks have gone weeks without a single piece of loot. Raiding loot isn't 'free'. You invest in repairs, possibly consumables and time.

I personally went a month without a single piece of loot from any of the LFRs. Hilariously, the gold you get is way less than what you can sell the pieces for. I don't think it's entitled to be unhappy that you can invest coins (and I did/do), run LFR consistently and get no loot for over a month. Hooray blue gear.

But yeah, people've been kind of rough this expac. Though, I've run into several awesome folks, too.

[Qinni]

Anther thing that burns my buns about wow in general is drops and spawn timers. Yea I know low drop rates can be a pain and even worse with low spawning mobs but what I hate the most is low drop rates and TO MANY mobs spawning! Its never ending pew pew that gets old and when I do somehow get my items and I want to mount up, I can't because something either spawned next to me or behind me and aggro-ed onto me! >.<

*most of the time I find myself walking back to the quest turn in*

[Slapperfish]

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[Myrrmi]

There is freaking too much to do on my main~!! /cry
Between finishing toping the reps, farming, hunting achieves, caping valor, trying to pvp, stoping to smell roses, giving up on caping conquest because I suck at pvp, gearing up into BISes of my activity range (mr robot knows what's good for you), getting amazed by the skye and weather, pet levelling, pet collecting, mount collecting, gun collecting, old content runs for funs&drops... /breath
Well, so, between all that there's no time to level up my little squad of 85s that I've brought up during the post-cata lul. And they miss me. And feel lonely. I know they do

[Swifty the Worm]

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed that "Cross-Realm" was added to the game without an option for people to choose whether they want to 'opt out' or not. Nodes for people who gather and use them for their professions are finding it much more difficult to get their supplies (issues with phasing; they see a Node when in the air, but get pulled to a different realm when they land and dismount). This is damaging our realms' economies. On the Auction House, materials for crafting have become very scarce, annoying many crafters on my server.

Plus, the issue with griefers from other realms is just so mind-boggling. Earlier, I was trying to help someone find Loque'nahak from my own server, but then another person from a different server (not naming and shaming), swoops down and continues to call out their own Loque and dismiss repeatedly. Now, I was helping out a Horde (and I'm an Alliance, I don't turn away a chance to help when I can), and this griefer is an Alliance as well. I asked them why they were doing that, and (here's the kicker) their response was, "It's funny! They target my pet and try to tame it!"

...It just sickens me. I didn't find it funny at all, and I felt horrible for the Horde. Another incident occurred where I was talking to someone from my own server and suddenly, they got flagged and killed. Now, my server isn't a PvP server, and this person didn't have any PvP gear on either. We had to wait until they became unflagged before they could resurrect. My theory is that this person had been pulled into a PvP server somehow (I thought this was fixed already, but apparently not), or someone had used an exploit in the game to get them flagged. Even now, I'm not sure how that happened.

A few days ago, I had gone to Outland to finish getting Exalted with Sporeggar. On my way there, I noticed tons of Horde camping Honor Hold. They were all from different realms, apparently grouped up, and killing every NPC in that town. I noticed some poor Alliances shouting at them (forgetting the language barrier) to let them quest in peace. I ended up going back to Stormwind because I had a feeling that some of them were in the Zangarmarsh too.

...In conclusion, not only is Cross-Realm making it harder for some people to level up professions and complete quests, it's also bringing out the trolls and griefers, as well as being a bit glitchy. Plus, I've sent in several tickets (and made several reports about some previous trolling/griefing), and the GMs who responded pretty much said that nothing could be done. So, not only are people doing things that should get them banned, they're doing all of this to hinder the gameplay of others...and aren't getting punished for it.

...Though I am enjoying some of the new content (...only the new tameables, really...), I do wish Blizzard would do something about this negativity...

[Myrrmi]

Oh yes, CRZ...
As someone having almost all of my charries 85+, with the one that isn't being lvled solely by instances, and almost no activities planed outside of Pandaria I all to frequently forget about this "bliss". Thanks for reminding me why I had hurried myself up as the whole hell of devils was on my tail to finish (almost) every outside old-world activity before Theramore hit and why decided to level my latest alt only by instances... /sigh

CRZ must GO!

[Zhinru]

I don't have many complaints about gameplay of Mists of Pandaria. It's pretty interesting, and has a lot of content for different kinds of people. I mean, Golden Lotus dailies become rather painful after some time, but that's it - and from recent interviews, they know they ought to fix stuff like that.

My major doubts are about the story.
1) The whole Zandalari plot feels really contrived. So let's sum up: Zandalar was heavily opposed to just sucking up divine power for temporary gains, or to certain openly malicious loas (Hakkar). Then, Cataclysm destroyed Zandalar apparently... and they did a total 180 degree turn? Suddenly, they're not only fine with Hakkar, they're also fine with sucking his power, banding together two ideas they completely abhorred.

Then to make up for losing their homeland, they decide to invade Pandaria. Huh? They have neither manpower, nor resources to invade Craw's little island, let alone Pandaria. So instead of asking politely someone (Horde, Pandaren, whoever) to house the, they decide to strain the little they have left and just attack?

Yeah, they were allies with the Mogu, but that was more then 10 thousand years ago! None of the parties involved are still alive, and whole civilisations rise and fall during that time, multiple times. In fact, on Earth, 10 thousand years ago not even the first lights of the modern western civilisation started, it's just such a long time. To use the best possible metaphore, attacking Pandaria because of Mogu alliance is like us going to war against Iran because our grandfathers were Greek generals during the Persian wars of 500 BC. All while our homelands lay in ruin.

2) About the Mogu. Just where are they coming from? Mogu'shan Palace? The one in the middle of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, which was supposed to be closed off for milennia and is implied to have no Mogu before their invasion when we reach level 90? Or maybe... from all those ruins scattered around the landscape? They have no bases, no manpower, no resources and until Kun-Lai quests no real leaders. They just SPAWN.

Speaking of leaders, what happened to Lei Shen after his ressurection? He never appears again, not once. The biggest hint of his plans is the VoEB villain mentioning honoring him (which he could have even if Lei Shen was dead). He gets rezzed and then apparently chills out with Zul, sipping hierba mate in some Zandalari refugee camp.

3) Numbers, resources and people I mentioned twice already. Let's just get this out of the way: Blizzard can't write wars. For all the losses we were purported to have had, we should never have enough numbers to launch a war on that scale for that long. Not to mention all the Orcs we're seeing across Azeroth are supposedly descended from the band that fit into Thrall's three ships 10 years ago. While humans had some time to repopulate since the First War, they shouldn't have near the numbers we're seeing either.

My theory for this is the faction leaders never went past WarCraft III and when needed, they just spawn more people from buildings which are built in seconds by a peasant repeatedly striking the ground with a hammer.

Okay, my rant off. Just had to let off some steam on storytelling mistakes I would have never done in their place.

[swimgremlin]

I've really enjoyed MoP so far. If there's one thing I wish I could change is the rep system. I honestly don't mind grinding every daily on my main, but I don't like doing it on all my alts.

In my opinion, they should've made the rep tabards available at exalted account bound, and provide the bonuses that WotlK/Cata rep tabards did in dungeons. That way, you'd have to be exalted with your main to even have access to them for your alts.

Before MoP, I had every class at 85 except a shaman. As I gradually get them to 90, I'm willing to run dungeons with them, but don't want to do dailies. If you ever plan to fill in a different spot for raiding, you'd have to at least have some rep gear. Meanwhile my main is exalted with most factions, but can do little to benefit the others.

[Kalliope]

They have neither manpower, nor resources to invade Craw's little island, let alone Pandaria.

In fairness to the Zandalari, NO ONE has the manpower or resources to invade Craw's little island.

[Lisaara]

They have neither manpower, nor resources to invade Craw's little island, let alone Pandaria.

In fairness to the Zandalari, NO ONE has the manpower or resources to invade Craw's little island.

Not even Deathwing!

[Moonlost]

[quote="Zhinru"2) About the Mogu. Just where are they coming from? Mogu'shan Palace? The one in the middle of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, which was supposed to be closed off for milennia and is implied to have no Mogu before their invasion when we reach level 90? Or maybe... from all those ruins scattered around the landscape? They have no bases, no manpower, no resources and until Kun-Lai quests no real leaders. They just SPAWN.

Speaking of leaders, what happened to Lei Shen after his ressurection? He never appears again, not once. The biggest hint of his plans is the VoEB villain mentioning honoring him (which he could have even if Lei Shen was dead). He gets rezzed and then apparently chills out with Zul, sipping hierba mate in some Zandalari refugee camp.[/quote]

I always assumed there were little pockets of areas of Mogu; sealed away halls and caverns full of their stone warriors, much like what we see in the Guo-lai halls and Mogu'shan terrace. Add those to the stone statues we see in their ruins and that's a decent start for the numbers we start to see.
Also, given that we see them calling souls into statues, I don't think it's too unreasonable to have them literally make more of themselves as this war effort goes on; carving fresh statues to help bolster their numbers.

I don't know about anyone else, but as I was levelling through these zones, each time I encountered Mogu, their numbers grew. From the relative sleeping few in the Terrace of Ten Storms (and their master there who I cannot recall the name of), through to the halls in the Valley of Emperors, eventually to the amassing armies in the Vale. The question of where that army came from never really struck me, because I had seen them swell, had performed quests in an attempt to stop this before it started, only to barely put a dent in their plans. How they started to rise up still remains elusive, but that could just be me being forgetful or not going to the right zone and doing the quests there.

As for Lei Shen... okay, you got me there. I'm just going to presume that he's off in his secret plot-lair doing some plotting and will come to bother us in a future patch.

[cowmuflage]

[quote="Zhinru"2) About the Mogu. Just where are they coming from? Mogu'shan Palace? The one in the middle of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, which was supposed to be closed off for milennia and is implied to have no Mogu before their invasion when we reach level 90? Or maybe... from all those ruins scattered around the landscape? They have no bases, no manpower, no resources and until Kun-Lai quests no real leaders. They just SPAWN.

Speaking of leaders, what happened to Lei Shen after his ressurection? He never appears again, not once. The biggest hint of his plans is the VoEB villain mentioning honoring him (which he could have even if Lei Shen was dead). He gets rezzed and then apparently chills out with Zul, sipping hierba mate in some Zandalari refugee camp.

I always assumed there were little pockets of areas of Mogu; sealed away halls and caverns full of their stone warriors, much like what we see in the Guo-lai halls and Mogu'shan terrace. Add those to the stone statues we see in their ruins and that's a decent start for the numbers we start to see.
Also, given that we see them calling souls into statues, I don't think it's too unreasonable to have them literally make more of themselves as this war effort goes on; carving fresh statues to help bolster their numbers.

I don't know about anyone else, but as I was levelling through these zones, each time I encountered Mogu, their numbers grew. From the relative sleeping few in the Terrace of Ten Storms (and their master there who I cannot recall the name of), through to the halls in the Valley of Emperors, eventually to the amassing armies in the Vale. The question of where that army came from never really struck me, because I had seen them swell, had performed quests in an attempt to stop this before it started, only to barely put a dent in their plans. How they started to rise up still remains elusive, but that could just be me being forgetful or not going to the right zone and doing the quests there.

As for Lei Shen... okay, you got me there. I'm just going to presume that he's off in his secret plot-lair doing some plotting and will come to bother us in a future patch.[/quote]

Yeah I agree Moon. I mean you see a few in The jade forest and they do seem to grow the more you quest. I think That's what makes them cool I mean you hear about them before you see them in some cases. There is a rare right by the hunting quests in the vally of the four winds in the ruins with the turtles who is just a stone statue unless you attack him then he becomes flesh. I think that's what they have been doing. Just waiting till it's the right time.

[Zhinru]

IIRC the stone Mogu and flesh Mogu are said to be two different things. For example doing the dailies in the Golden Stair, you can encounter "Stone Effigies", and then there are flesh-and-blood Mogu who seem to create those. From that I concluded, there are flesh Mogu (result of "race of brutes encountering the waters of the Vale" who then propagated) and there are stone effigies (statues animated with stolen Titan technology). If there was just a small bunch of Mogu animating lots of statues (like in the Terrace in Jade Forest) I probably wouldn't think too much. But the thing is, the Mogu themselves seem to multiply.

[Lisaara]

IIRC the stone Mogu and flesh Mogu are said to be two different things. For example doing the dailies in the Golden Stair, you can encounter "Stone Effigies", and then there are flesh-and-blood Mogu who seem to create those. From that I concluded, there are flesh Mogu (result of "race of brutes encountering the waters of the Vale" who then propagated) and there are stone effigies (statues animated with stolen Titan technology). If there was just a small bunch of Mogu animating lots of statues (like in the Terrace in Jade Forest) I probably wouldn't think too much. But the thing is, the Mogu themselves seem to multiply.

Maybe they got some females locked in the basement? XD

[Zhinru]

Maybe they got some females locked in the basement? XD

They're probably in the cave together with all the Ogre, Jinyu and Hozen females.

[Myrrmi]

Naah, the ogre females (and I guess the hozen and jinyu ones too - c'mon, how many of you can tell a fem/male monkey apart at first glance? Not mentioning fish...) are already there. They're just exactly as pretty as the males... /eyeroll

[cowmuflage]

Naah, the ogre females (and I guess the hozen and jinyu ones too - c'mon, how many of you can tell a fem/male monkey apart at first glance? Not mentioning fish...) are already there. They're just exactly as pretty as the males... /eyeroll

The only easy way of telling a male and female fish apart that does not have something easy like different colours is size. Females tend to be bigger in most fish. So I guess big Jinyu could be females. I mean They would not have boobs or anything XD

[Zhinru]

Naah, the ogre females (and I guess the hozen and jinyu ones too - c'mon, how many of you can tell a fem/male monkey apart at first glance? Not mentioning fish...) are already there. They're just exactly as pretty as the males... /eyeroll

That was mostly a joke, but there are indeed several races in WoW of which there are known only males. I don't think there's a single named female Ogre (though there's been wives of ogres mentioned rarely) and Jinyu females are only implied. Hozen? The *only* mention of a female Hozen is Ken-Ken mentioning his grandma. I can't remember other "male-only" races off the top of my head, but there's several where there's been no named females, and most of those races have no female models.

[Lisaara]

I think of it this way...there's gotta be females unless said otherwise, whether named or not. Babies dont just drop from the sky.

[cowmuflage]

I think of it this way...there's gotta be females unless said otherwise, whether named or not. Babies dont just drop from the sky.

Lies my mummmy said storks come with them!