Flight Rising Rant Thread

[TygerDarkstorm]

I echo the sentiments of many here. The economy is totally in the shitter and I feel like the FR admin team is blind to that because of the new stuff that they do add isn't doing much to help dragon sales along. I was extremely hopeful that new users would help things out and, if anything, the economy is only getting worse.

Vare, if it makes you feel any better, I utterly love Guildenstern (the midnight/shadow boy I got from you). <3 His colors are perfect (especially after I realized my imp is the same colors ) and I love his wind eyes on his dark body. But I totally can relate to the feeling about wanting to breed and sell starters only for their not to be a market for them right now.

[Ana]

It's painfully clear my dragons/lair are boring. I only have 4 "special" dragons that I can do little with since they have stupidly long breeding CDs. The rest, almost all basic starters, were picked because I thought I could interest people with popular colours. For the most part it worked in the earlier days, which even then was difficult cos I'd started later than most. Lately though, especially with the economy crash, I get lucky if people even look at them.

Don't get me wrong, I personally love my dragons. But I have no plans. No goals. I work towards things that I think people would like because I love helping people. So when no one even looks at my offers it saddens me greatly that my dragons are going to be exalted. Sure I get more than exaltation price if I put them on the AH for others to exalt, but they're still exalted. I've kept more than enough of the ones I deemed pretty as is. I can't keep hoarding them because of this small hope someone will take them and make something with them. Even the new blood doesn't take them, or maybe just doesn't get there in time because the low prices of basic starters make them exaltation targets.

I know a lot of people already have a lot of dragons they're happy with. I realise it'd be easier to buy an already gened dragon for a third or less of the price it takes to start from scratch... but if no one wants my dragons I have little reason to play. Which hurts more because I have little else to do as of late. I want to help people get things they want. I want my dragons to be loved. Yet when I post an offer someone else comes along with something shinier and I'm forgotten.

This isn't me forcing you guys to buy my dragons. It's been bothering my paranoid brain for a while so I just wanted to get this off my chest.

I personally love your dragons but as many in here im suffering from space and treasure issues.... i got a trillion things to save for to gene up my own dragons.

I REALLY hope that the dervs will put a higher exhalt value of starters.. i dont think 10k is that unreasonable and it would help alot instead of selling cute starters for 4-5k

it makes me sad that ridgies and pearls and such are as low as 25k!! even skydancers isnt a safe investment anymore.. it was just high the first few days

and yeah even imps are being giving away for free for newcommers..

i NEED to feel like im playing a breeding game where i can accually get something out of breeding my dragons

lair expansion should be cheaper.. if i want more dragons i need to invest 125000 for 5 extra slots.. 5!! not 50.. thats SOO stupid imho

I agree with you here veph...

i love the site but sometimes it makes me sad

and Varethyn dont feel sad.. its the economy to blame..

and to me the worst part is .. that EVERY thread in the forum with ppl with genuine concerns are getting shotted down and just told " shut up, the economy is fine. Your lazy so you only got you self to blame".. it just want me to hit those ppl posting that with giant plastic hammers

It seams impossible to have a real and genuine dissustions on the forums about the ecnomy and the derv team is as silent as the grave

[KoreNestis]

I think 10K would be perfect for exalting starters. Much more than what we'd get out of selling them and bloating the dragon population even more. I just think more incentives to exalt would help us tremendously.

[Ana]

https://www.facebook.com/flightrising?h ... n=timeline

i post on fb too as Tårnfalk; - only way i can see to bring it to ppls attention is to keep talking about it..


ohh and offcourse my fr post

http://flightrising.com/main.php?p=mb&b ... &id=955399

i wont stop bugging until i see somekind of responce from the dervs

support if you feel like it

now i go to sleep dreaming about dragons

[Bowno]

If I play another game of Shocker thingy.. I am going to lose my mind. ;.;
Hurry up and hatch babies! I need to sell yooooooou (Or exalt >>)

[Ana]

GRRRRRRRRRRR someone on fr can make me sooo mad.. she suggest the same thing all the time..

our dragons grow old and cannot breed and only females have cd...

I DONT WANT OBSOLETE DRAGONS!!!

sigh maybe i should stop making these post cause some ppl are just gonna remain dickheads

defo off to beds..

i hope there are a few more posstive responces to my suggestion thread when i wake up

[TygerDarkstorm]

I don't like the idea of dragons becoming obsolete either, especially not the ones I paid a lot of money for.

[Vasken]

Oh gosh. If dragons stop breeding, I'd personally force a refund for all my gem purchases (ie, using "the product sold was not as described") and quit in one fell swoop.

The person who suggests these things is renowned for their controversial topics (and trolling) though-- I wouldn't pay too much heed to them!

[Bowno]

Oh gosh. If dragons stop breeding, I'd personally force a refund for all my gem purchases (ie, using "the product sold was not as described") and quit in one fell swoop.

The person who suggests these things is renowned for their controversial topics (and trolling) though-- I wouldn't pay too much heed to them!

You should mention that on the thread it was suggested on ;P

[Nachtwulf]

On one hand, I've been enjoying the depressed economy because I've bought some -glorious- dragons for what amounts to pocket change, and I'm kind of a hoarder.

The problem is, now my lair is glutted with things that I just plain can't sell. I'm not about to put gened babies up for 5k, that's just stupid. I'll wait until they grow up, level them in the coli and exalt them if I have to. But seriously, I hate exalting, I feel like it's 'the trash bin' and that people who exalt my babies might as well be throwing adorable week-old puppies into a dumpster. (I know that's a harsh statement, but seriously, that's what I feel like.)

Now I even have a couple of wildclaws and since they aren't gened or black/white (well, one of 'em's black but has an "undesirable" wing color), I'll be lucky to even move those.

I also feel that all of the damn cooldowns are too long. I realize that shortening them would make for an even more glutted economy but still, jesus, waiting a whole damn month to get one blasted egg? Where is the sense in that.

[Aeladrine]

Oh gosh. If dragons stop breeding, I'd personally force a refund for all my gem purchases (ie, using "the product sold was not as described") and quit in one fell swoop. :lol:

The person who suggests these things is renowned for their controversial topics (and trolling) though-- I wouldn't pay too much heed to them!

... Person who suggested it, here. Not a troll, just a person who understands supply and demand and the fact that exaltation will never be capable of removing enough dragons from the supply to increase the demand. And I've suggested it a total of twice. Once here, in its own thread, and once in the thread mentioned above.

And even attempting to get a refund is a bannable offense, for the record.

[Vasken]

Oh gosh. If dragons stop breeding, I'd personally force a refund for all my gem purchases (ie, using "the product sold was not as described") and quit in one fell swoop.

The person who suggests these things is renowned for their controversial topics (and trolling) though-- I wouldn't pay too much heed to them!

... Person who suggested it, here. Not a troll, just a person who understands supply and demand and the fact that exaltation will never be capable of removing enough dragons from the supply to increase the demand. And I've suggested it a total of twice. Once here, in its own thread, and once in the thread mentioned above.

And even attempting to get a refund is a bannable offense, for the record.

WHAT. Noes, not you-! I can't name and shame, but there's a rather infamous troll on the official forums who keeps throwing that suggestion around. They're really fishy (HINT). They recently had a 6-page thread on it-- which quickly riled many, many people! I'm pretty certain it was deleted in the end. They've also said some terribly controversial things about Thrage and ahhhgg. Sorry for the misunderstanding! I never saw you make the suggestion! That person is renowned for being the biggest advocate for this change-- they mention it in every single topic. ;o;

Even then, allowing dragons to breed a limited time would purely solve the over-supply problem, but would cause a wealth of other problems. If we're looking from a purely economical standpoint, it'd offer dragons intrinsic value based on their age and make people constantly search for new dragons to replace their own, 'dying' ones. Sales would be sought after-- and there would be demand.

However-...

The arguments and drama this would cause would be unfathomable. People have spent real money-- hundreds of dollars-- on their dragons, and for them to become useless would be an enormous blow. It wouldn't really be worth your time to scroll; your dragons would inevitably be rendered useless, even if they did provide some form of profit! Lair space would be even more of an issue; you'd need to constantly clear out your old, unbreedable dragons, which'd be difficult on an emotional level, especially to those who'd bonded with their dragons. This isn't even getting into gem purchases-- which would likely dry up; people would be reluctant to fork out cash on genes.

From a purely economical standpoint, it's good, but it really, really will cause a wealth of other issues and fragment the community further. They'd need to entirely overhaul the system of the game and make it, somehow, worthwhile to spend an extortionate amount of time and money to gene your dragons. If this was implemented from the start, I wouldn't complain too much, but changing this into the game would cause so much drama and frustration. From a legal standpoint, they would likely need to refund all gem purchases if this was implemented.

Even then, there's not many other ways in which to lessen the supply. I'd be fine with increasing the breeding cooldowns and lessening the eggs per clutch, but not this.

(I understand it's a bannable offense and I don't intend to do it. Ever. I'm supporting this game for as long as possible, through the thick and thin! However, it would be within everyone's rights to do so if they stopped dragons from breeding indefinitely; product no longer as described. There could definitely be a lawsuit against them-- it's happened before on another breeding sim.)

[cowmuflage]

And even attempting to get a refund is a bannable offense, for the record.

Really? If that's true they'll never get my money. >.>

[Vasken]

And even attempting to get a refund is a bannable offense, for the record.

Really? If that's true they'll never get my money. >.>

It is! I've never heard of anyone doing so, but I'm certain one of the admins mentioned it was bannable at one point. I'll try to dig up the thread!

[Aeladrine]

People on tumblr did it during the Thrage incident and then were upset when they were banned. It's in the ToS. The rule, I mean.

Also, the problem now is that supply outstrips (and, with how the game is currently built, will always outstrip) demand. Exaltation is not a viable way to deal with this, as so few people exalt. Buffing the rewards from exaltation will raise the base price of dragons, but will not lower the supply of them, as people will still only exalt as a last resort.

Basically, the problem is that people won't give up their dragons unless forced to, which creates far more supply than demand. If you can keep your dragons in a separate tab (so as to not eat up lair space) once they can't breed, you still get to keep them while helping keep the supply more in line with the demand. Putting money into genes and breed changes are still worthwhile, as you'll still earn back what you get from that dragon's children and their grandchildren and so on. It's not different than it is now. The only difference is that you're not constantly breeding that exact same dragon over and over again.

Dragons need to be removed from the breeding pool so that demand will increase. It's as simple as that.

However, this is rather off topic in the rant thread. If anyone wishes to discuss economics with me from here on out, I ask you take it to PMs. I'm more than happy to at any time, so long as no insults are thrown.

My rant? I'm getting really sick of this site, as it's increasingly obvious that even the admins know very little about what they're doing from an economic standpoint. The game isn't built to have a stable economy as is and, unless major changes are had, the economy will always come to a crash. Even changing exaltation payouts is only a bandaid on the issue at whole.

I'm starting to get tired of playing a game that only punishes and never rewards.

[Nachtwulf]

I think the problem is right now they're trying to figure out how to keep the GAME from crashing and haven't put any thought at all into the 'squishier' concepts of how to keep the economy from doing so. The fact that they're happening at the same time is just making everything worse, and I think we can all point at the long-running blockage of new blood for hastening the economic mess.

I really doubt that they're going to do anything about patching the economy, or anything else fussy and game-rule-related until they can repair the framework. It'd be like WoW trying to balance classes instead of repairing world crashes and server connection issues.

I suppose that once the game itself is fixed, then it will be time to hire an economist. At least they should only need one.

[Vasken]

People on tumblr did it during the Thrage incident and then were upset when they were banned. It's in the ToS. The rule, I mean.

Also, the problem now is that supply outstrips (and, with how the game is currently built, will always outstrip) demand. Exaltation is not a viable way to deal with this, as so few people exalt. Buffing the rewards from exaltation will raise the base price of dragons, but will not lower the supply of them, as people will still only exalt as a last resort.

Basically, the problem is that people won't give up their dragons unless forced to, which creates far more supply than demand. If you can keep your dragons in a separate tab (so as to not eat up lair space) once they can't breed, you still get to keep them while helping keep the supply more in line with the demand. Putting money into genes and breed changes are still worthwhile, as you'll still earn back what you get from that dragon's children and their grandchildren and so on. It's not different than it is now. The only difference is that you're not constantly breeding that exact same dragon over and over again.

Dragons need to be removed from the breeding pool so that demand will increase. It's as simple as that.

However, this is rather off topic in the rant thread. If anyone wishes to discuss economics with me from here on out, I ask you take it to PMs. I'm more than happy to at any time, so long as no insults are thrown.

My rant? I'm getting really sick of this site, as it's increasingly obvious that even the admins know very little about what they're doing from an economic standpoint. The game isn't built to have a stable economy as is and, unless major changes are had, the economy will always come to a crash. Even changing exaltation payouts is only a bandaid on the issue at whole.

I'm starting to get tired of playing a game that only punishes and never rewards.

I won't argue about the economy further-- especially since the unbreedable dragons, as much as I'm not a fan, will undeniably help! It's a valid solution, just a very controversial one. Even then, something drastic does need to be done-- prices have completely gone down the drain and there's no easy end-all solution to draconian economics.

Breeding limits would help, it just might create a few more non-economical issues ( though I like the separate tab notion!). But I'm incredibly sorry for the mix-up! Was no way referring to the suggestion as trolling-- just the single player (fishspeakers on the official forums) who seems to take it to a trolling extreme (they do it purely for reactions). The same player who constantly insults people over tumblr and lambastes imperial owners at every opportunity. B:

My favourite suggestion so far is the lessening of lair expansion costs. I WOULD BUY AND HOARD ALL THE PRETTIES. FOREVER. But then that, too, would create piles of other issues and drama.

[TygerDarkstorm]

I really wish i could earn treasure while I'm on my kindle. Nothing in the fairgrounds ever works for me and the coliseum is crap too. I don't understand why something like runestones or the coliseum don't work on my mobile platform. I tried loading it on my phone yesterday but it was aggravatingly slow and my whole phone screen became unresponsive. My fiance and i currently have to share a laptop so i can't always work toward my treasure caps and would love to fully utilize the site from my kindle; i see no reason basic button pushing games shouldn't work on a mobile platform.

[Aeladrine]

No worries, Vasken. It's not you who's made me feel uncomfortable.

[cowmuflage]

And even attempting to get a refund is a bannable offense, for the record.

Really? If that's true they'll never get my money. >.>

It is! I've never heard of anyone doing so, but I'm certain one of the admins mentioned it was bannable at one point. I'll try to dig up the thread!

That to me seems like a very strange thing to do. Eh knowing that that has made my chances of ever giving them money go down from "extremely unlikely" to "not a chance in hell". They started off very low seeing as they don't seem to know what the hell they are doing when it comes to anything!